Sony's 4K Ultra HD TV To Come With A Player With Pre-Loaded 4K Films
Posted November 29, 2012 07:23 PM by Webmaster
Sony Electronics has revealed that it is planning to offer a 4K player with pre-loaded 4K films when its new 84-inch XBR-84X900 goes on sale. Sony will also include the Sony Xperia Tablet S, which is to be used as a remote control.
The new 84-inch XBR-84X900, Sony's first Ultra High-Definition TV set, which will be capable of upscaling 1080p content to 4K, is expected to street with a $25,000 price tag.
The ten pre-loaded 4K films will be The Amazing Spiderman, Total Recall (2012), The Karate Kid (2010), Salt, Battle: Los Angeles, The Other Guys, Bad Teacher, That's My Boy, Taxi Driver, and The Bridge on the River Kwai. Also included will be a couple of short videos, amongst them Red Bull Media House's The Athlete Machine: Red Bull Kluge.
Sony's XBR-84X900 will be competing with LG's 84LM9600 model (see here).
4 movies out of the 10 are worth it (Okay 2, Taxi and River Kwai) I know that for that amount of money you can pick up Sony's 4K projector and have a nice 120 inch home theater. They should have a choice of films to get not have 3 or 4 and the rest are throw-aways (seems that this happens alot) Even if you get an region free OPPO blu-ray player for $699 it has a 4K upconversion feature it'll show most stuff upscalled to how films in theaters are shown regardless..
Looks like an awesome tv, but of course that price tag only puts it in the hands of an insanely small circle of people. I'd love to hang around and watch Taxi Driver if I came across a store with one of these on demo, though. But, damn.. these have a long way to go to get people on board. Even at 90% off, this tv would still be $2500.
Even if I had the dough, I wouldn't hop on this bandwagon just yet.
However I am actually thrilled about 4K in general. I don't get people who wouldn't be.
I mean, we had Betamax (also Sony, yay), VHS, S-VHS, VCD, Laserdisc, DVD, HDDVD, Blu-ray. All formats have served us an important part of film history. And of course there were magnetic formats before those. I am at least cheering on the technical evolution about home cinema. If it's not only or mostly about money, and not good movies. Then I'm out. But I can't see any reason why we shouldn't embrace 4K, especially those of you who have projectors and really big screens.
Pre-loaded 4K content reminds me when DVD first came about and you got free dvd's with a player. While I'm not convinced 4K is the way to go and a sure winner, it'll answer that whole "where's the content" thing people love to copy and paste when someone brings up "4K" (as if it wouldn't eventually show up, lol). It'll be interesting to see where the future goes in home theater, no doubt. For now I'm fine with HD and blu-rays. :-D
Re the 25k price tag, remember , its only because we are in the embryonic stages of 4k. In time the price will come down. I don't think this tv is being marketed to the average blu-ray.com poster. It's more a prototype than anything else
And the truth is, anyone who's enthusiastic about blu should, if anything, be even more so about 4k since 4k can capture all of a 35 mm film which blu cannot. Blu ray is "lossy", basically, so we should be cheering on all efforts to bring 4k to the homes of joe sixpack
Except, of course, that most people don't WANT to buy hardware, they want to buy movies. And then, when they can afford it, the hardware to play them on. That was the hard lesson all three companies took a long time to learn from 3D.
Here, we have a piece of hardware, and...oh, yes, some movies to play it on. Seems to me that was the same strategy when D-VHS came out, only those weren't soft digital downloads.
That Sony bundle 10 films with it and yet neither Lawrence of Arabia nor The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo is on there just boggles the mind. As it stands this set will, for the most part, be an expensive monument to Sony's premier status as a studio releasing terrible films with brilliant AV quality.
@ EricJ - And let's not forget the fact that at 84" (and higher) Blu-ray still holds an incredible image. 4K will only really ever have a truly noticeable difference in image quality at 120" or more. And, let's face it, most average consumers in tye home theatre game (95% is my estimate) will never have a space in their home able to be dedicated to that kind of presentation area. THIS is my belief as to why 4K was doomed from conception as an HT evolution. It's just not viable given the lack of perceived quality difference.
Now, I'm not saying that I won't see a difference. I'm certain that I will. I saw a world of difference between DVD & Blu-ray right from the start. But, think of the hoardes of people out there who say they don't see a difference between DVD & Blu-ray. Are they really going to be able to see a huge difference between DVD & 4K if Blu-ray & 4K are so similar on the average size display TV in retail stores??? I think not.
@Petra - Blu-ray had a horse to pull its cart: Everyone "had" to switch to digital sets, and HDTV sets showed off Blu-ray's improvement. You can't just tell the public "Buy this new set, it'll look better!"--Most people aren't home theater connosseuirs, they don't fuss over calibration tests, and will ask, "Better than WHAT??"
One of the reasons DVD caught on and Laserdisk didn't, was that no one at the beginning knew -why- they should buy a laserdisk. What did it do, if it didn't record like a VCR?...All it did was just sit there and look pretty. DVD came in with a bucketful of improvements over tape--Compact, no rewinding, play it in your computer, and you wanted one after you handled it. Buy a DVD player, and you knew how your moviewatching was going to change; buy a laserdisk, and people called you obsessed and anal-retentive.
You can show your friends 3D, and they'll know what it DOES, but show them 4K and aside from the fact that it's Really, Really Big, you've got the burden of proof to say "See, see, it...looks better!" And your friends are still going to ask, "Bettter than WHAT?"
Considering the last few negative comments, I changed my mind...!
If I did have the money, I WOULD hop on this bandwagon. I know that my eyes are good enough to spot a clear difference between BD material and 4K. And I always want the best possible, when it comes to enjoying movies and their AV aspect!
New technology for the win! And it won't stop with 4K, it's just something contemporary. Later on, we will maybe have actual live 3D. maybe even 4D! With smells, touch... Amazing!
photograph17: 1080p isn't part of the HDTV broadcast standard. 1080p is in the Blu-ray spec, but not in the OTA/Cable HDTV spec, so until that is updated it wouldn't be a format to be supported anyway.
Additionally, being 84" or 120" has nothing to do with how well you'll see the resolution difference, it's how close you sit to the screen relative to the size that determines that. If you're 10' from an 84" and 15' from a 120" screen they'll look the same, despite one being larger. You'll have to sit a good amount closer to really see a difference.
I'm not a big 4K guy, as I think they can make other improvements that help existing content more, but I do think it's a big benefit that Sony can actually show native 4K content on their displays as everyone else launching a 4K display (Toshiba, LG, etc...) is stuck with upconverting HD content and then you're completely limited by the internal scaler of the display. All of these displays are for early adopters as the 4K spec for HDMI isn't finalized, so you can't have 3D content at 4K resolution, or frame rates beyond 30p (such as sports) at 4K either, so in a few years these will be outdated, much like those early $10,000 1080i HDTVs without HDMI are now.
$25,000 dollar pilot price? This is just another redundant cycle of pure profit for the electronic companies. If I recall it said, "upscaling" to 4k. Not true 4k. Frankly, I think there's only so much sharpness and perfection visibly to the human eye to make enough difference to upgrade again, and again, and now again. Personally, I do not want a TV 84' and especially not 120 inches in my house forcing me to sit 50 feet away. It's almost like this elite hardware is coming into the market only for the extremely wealthy. I am very content with my 50' Panasonic plasma and will not be replacing it anytime soon. In my humble opinion, this is purely exaggerated at least right now.
How much does it weigh? Is it LCD? I'll be interested in several years when 4K is affordable and there are plenty of 4K movies to watch. Until then, BD is still what I was waiting for. Let's hope 4K scans are standard by now, so the films are ready to go when we want them.
Looks promising, especially if they can make the discs backwards compatible with existing BD discs (that is, include a compatibility portion that will work on existing devices, and have extra layers for an HEVC portion for newer devices).
Yup, a perfect time to release this, when the U.S. economy is heading down to the depths, when high quality 1080p televisions are dirt cheap, and when the vast majority of folks are STILL not convinced blu-ray is the way to go.
While I've been an early adopter of nearly all formats (even betamax and laserdisc) I truly believe this is one that will fail. I think it's a slam dunk that BR may be the last removable media format we'll see (but long live it indeed).
From what Im reading, 4k TV's will have a major benefit with screen sizes 70"+ while the average 50-60" will be les noticable. Makes sense, 1080p stretched across 100" will only look good if you sit far enough away from it or it will look pixelated the closer you are. 4K will allow you to sit just like you always wanted at the theater, all the way up front with your head tilting left and right, because now, distance to screen size wont matter since the detail will be extraordinary right up to your eyeballs.
What Im trying to say that, humans have limitations on how much detail they can perceive and how comfortable we are viewing an image as a whole before it goes past our horizontal field of view. Im starting to think 3D has a more widespread benefit then 4k itself in application. And Im not huge on 3D either....
This is sort of why BD is a great "limiter". You really need a screen this big to be able to appreciate 4K material, and most people will never get a tv that size. For the standard 40-55", 1080p really is "good enough", and the jump to 4K won't be noticable for most viewers. I at least won't be jumping on the 4K bandwagon any time soon, and I actually doubt I'll ever view it as a "must have" feature. For the minority that just can't live without this tech though, have at it!
I'm happy with Blu-Ray. I don't even wanna know how much I invested in it. They better not tell me how to enjoy my movies. (Deja vu again when Blu-Ray 3D came out, or even when Blu-Ray released when DVDs are still around).
Pre-loaded with a bunch of films I wouldn't let someone pay me to watch ...and for only $25,000...sounds great ! I've said it before and I'll say it again, I won't be buying into 4K or any other future home-video format...I wouldn't mind picking up a 4K TV maybe 10 years from now (when my Plasma wears out), and the prices have dropped, but I won't be rebuying any movies I already have...Plus, if anyone here actually thinks the studios are going to rescan and remaster all the films they still haven't released yet on Blu-ray (or even DVD for that matter) in 4K, they're dead wrong...
When flat screens were first introduced a Philips 42", Fujitsu 42", NEC 42" were 17,000 a piece. They were 480i (not P) and people paid for it. I owned 2 of them and still own my NEC, and it still works! The first 50"Plasma was a Pioneer it was exactly 20K. This set back then would have been an absolute steal at 25k. It's like a watch, I wouldn't pay more than a grand for one while some of my clients have 100k Rolex's. I'd rather have 4 of these and a timex.
Vizio's major partner in the consumer electronics arena is AmTran Technology, a Taiwan-based OEM/ODM that manufactures more than half of the televisions sold by Vizio and owns a 23% stake in the company. Vizio also manufactures its products in Mexico and China under agreements with ODM assemblers in those countries.
Native 4K content is basically nonexistent so there's no point in getting this at the present time. The ability to upscale to 4K is nice, but we don't buy a 4K system to see upconverted 1080p/i the same way we don't buy a Blu-ray system to see upconverted 480i.
4K is going to have an EXTREMELY limited market, even when the price comes down. The fact is that most people haven't even changed over to BR yet, and the format itself hasn't been fully utilized. Most catalog releases are mediocre at best, yet we're already moving into 4K. Eventually (in maybe 10 years), I can see BR with the 1080 screen as the standard in 80% of homes, with DVD taking up 15% by then, and this format struggling to hold on to it's 5% (right now, it's only going to sell to those with lots of disposable income that have to have the newest thing--nobody else is going to buy this).