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Panasonic Announces Pricing for DMP-BD50

Posted May 6, 2008 09:34 AM by Josh Dreuth

PanasonicPanasonic has revealed that their upcoming BD-Live (Profile v2.0) Blu-ray Disc player, the DMP-BD50, will carry a manufacturers suggested retail price of $699.95 USD. The Panasonic DMP-BD50 will be the first standalone BD-Live Blu-ray player to be released on the market, and joins the Sony PlayStation 3 (PS3) as yet another option for those looking to experience the complete Blu-ray package.

In addition to displaying the very highest quality of Blu-ray images at 1080p24, the player will also include internal decoders for the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio lossless audio codecs, ensuring that regardless of your receiver's decoding capabilities, you will be able to experience the highest quality of audio as well.

The Panasonic DMP-BD50 BD-Live Blu-ray Disc player will be available this Spring.


Source: Blu-ray.com | Permalink | United States [Country settings]

News comments (103 comments)



hc666
  May 06, 2008
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Getting sick of these prices.

crunchywyte
  May 06, 2008
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I'll take my PS3 over this, but it seems to be a very nice player.

Mr. Cinema
  May 06, 2008
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I thought the insiders said this would be available for under $500? Guess not.

gumhead
  May 06, 2008
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Dont they want Blu-ray to catch on? These prices are crazy!!!

CassilineKnight
  May 06, 2008
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OUCH...thats definitely going to hurt the wallet...

Still though this is new technology so what do people expect...Personally I think its going to be an awesome player. Hopefully the reviews are good.

Bullseye
  May 06, 2008
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Still alittle on the high side. But there should be a reduction in the cost of the BD30.

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Lucy Diamond
  May 06, 2008
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WoW...only SEVEN HUNDRED dollars...Thanks???

Let's see....a stand alone player or a PS3 that does.....EVERYTHING.

BITE.....THE......HINEY Xo P
Ectoplasm
  May 06, 2008
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Well, they can't keep up with demand, according to them, so that's why they sell at the high prices. Can't keep 'em on the shelves..... do you believe it?

Luis_A51
  May 06, 2008
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Way too expensive. Should be ATLEAST $100 cheaper, maybe even $200. Oh well, still nice to see 2.0 players though.

KingLeerUK
  May 06, 2008
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$10 says you'll have to provide your own SD memory card to make it fully BD Live compatible. Not that it's a big expense (2gig cards are what, $15 now?) but common sense says the manufacturer should just throw that in with the price they appear to be ready to charge.

Impressive, but I'll stick with my Samsung BD-P1400.

audioquest
  May 06, 2008
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They want Blu-ray to go mainstream and replace DVD, but they continue to sell stand alone units at attrocious prices that the average consumer just will not pay. This technology will never be more than a niche product if this trend continues.

Mr. Cinema
  May 06, 2008
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This should help sell more PS3s.
DrXym
  May 06, 2008
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These prices are too much. Whether retails falling the RRP or not, they need to be much lower. If Sony can release a PS3 for $399, there is little excuse for others to not release players with comparable functionality for the same or less.

CptGreedle
  May 06, 2008
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Let my prices go!
I mean... Let go of these high prices! Blu-ray HAS to lower the cost of all their Profile 2 players
BEFORE WINTER! If these are still that expensive in September, we are in trouble!
We need players as cheap as $299 or less, otherwise no one will buy these.

coolmilo
  May 06, 2008
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About $300 over priced. This certainly won't help bring more consumers to Blu-ray. Hopefully OPPO will get it right.
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moviefan
  May 06, 2008
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Visualapex.com is taking preorders at $599.
Sony's EX player is over $$1,200, and models from Denon and Marantz are way over the Panny price.
Whatever floats your boat!

frenchglen
  May 06, 2008
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PS3 still remains the player to get, until the Oppo I'd say.

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Moefiz
  May 06, 2008
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Nice player but expensive......I was really looking to this player when it came out but not at this price.
I'll be holding on to my S300 awhile longer.

BluRay Rulez
  May 06, 2008
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How do they expect people to buy blu's and make it the next standard when the average household is only willing to pay $100-200 for a player? These kind of prices makes me wonder if blu-ray will be just a fade, like laser disc was.

savage1984
  May 06, 2008
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Hopefully by Christmas, this player will drop to $400-500... otherwise it won't sell. The ps3 does everything that player does and more...

CassilineKnight
  May 06, 2008
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But Savage why should they make us wait. If they were smart they would have released it at a lower price. HD DVD is GONE. These companies should be trying out some new strategies in order to spread Bluray into as many homes as possible.

Theres no way in hell the average family has $700 to spend on a f*cking HD Player. If they put it at a more affordable or reasonable price they'd have a better chance of selling them.

And then come Christmas discount them to to $300 or even $200 and WOAH talk about sales thru the roof.

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DetroitSportsFan
  May 06, 2008
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$700 is the MSRP, so it should be around $600 in most stores. But it's still $100 or so too high.

Bobby Henderson
  May 06, 2008
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$700 is a ridiculously expensive price for a Blu-ray player considering the format has been on the market for more than 2 years now. I suppose Panasonic is doing this to protect the $500 price tag of their previous Profile 1.1 player (DMP-BD30). Ugh.

DVD players were really expensive (and very limited in function) when they first hit the market in 1997. A number of standard, not high end, players were commanding $700+ price tags. By 1999, full featured DVD players with built in Dolby Digital decoders and 5.1 analog outputs were becoming available in the $400-$500 price range.

I don't think Panasonic is going to sell very many of those players at all. Panasonic doesn't have a brand name known for high end products. A lot of rich folks will gravitate to brands with more prestige, such as Pioneer's Elite line of products. Everyone else will likely just look for a player with a better price, sit on the fence or buy a PS3.

NJ_RAMS_FAN
  May 06, 2008
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wow.. no wonder BD sales arent as going up..

thunda
  May 06, 2008
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Wow, these prices are ridiculous. I cannot believe these players are priced this high. I was expecting this player to come in at about $400 and be about $200 by Christmas. I hate the fact that we are being pushed around so much by these companies. I was really looking forward to getting this at release date to add another player besides my PS3. I guess I will be waiting a long time before the price is what I'm willing to pay.

I'm really confused about this whole Blu Ray catching on now. Blu Ray is a luxury item right now. I only personally know one other person who has Blu Ray right now. Everyone I talk to says they won't buy a blu ray player until it is under $200-$250. These are your average consumers who do have HDTV's though. I wish the prices would just come down considerably so Blu Ray adoption can become more widespread more rapidly. Until then, there are many movies we won't be getting on blu ray that I'd like to have sooner rather than later.

bkbluray
  May 06, 2008
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I guess I will echo what everyone else is saying right now... I think this player should be about $499 tops, and get down to 400 or 300 by Christmas.

Nintendo isn't charging people $500 for the Wii just because it's selling well, and Panasonic shouldn't overcharge either.
Stiny-Ray2
  May 06, 2008
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When did Panasonic get so expensive? $699.95 are you kidding me? I guess their is going to a significant price drop on the BD-30 sucks that it's not 2.0 or doesn't have a Ethernet Port. So happy i have my 60Gig PS3...long live the PS3.

ottscay
  May 06, 2008
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You guys, these prices are still lower than DVD players at the same point in the deliver cycle (not even counting inflation). With the weak dollar what did you expect? There are plenty of more affordable non 2.0 players, and there will be more 2.0 players by the holidays.

Have a weee little bit of patience.
Jackeroo75
  May 06, 2008
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You guys don't like the price? Don't get it!!! I make 2 million a year, so this is nothing for the rich. Go find it on craiglist or ebay..sheeshe..

Seretur
  May 06, 2008
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YES.

It's pricier than we expected, but I don't care.

Seven hundred bucks is a decent price for this high-end machine -- and I'll get it the day it's released. I was very worried I would have to wait months for its release -- as long as it comes over the next two months.

Cheers, Panasonic!
DisneyLuver
  May 06, 2008
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everybody is right the prices are ridiculous the $700 yeah right

MerrickG
  May 06, 2008
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Typically, I think the former HD-DVD crowd blows things out of proportion, but prices like this really dont help consumers.

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Beta Man
  May 06, 2008
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Seems like a reasonable price given the infancy of the format.

rghuxley
  May 06, 2008
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Well, all this waiting for nothing. I was hoping this would be my first Blu-Ray player, but now I am just going to buy the Bd-30. Thanks for nothing Panasonic on this waiting period. Whatever happend to the MSRP of $599?
WickyWoo
  May 06, 2008
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fThis is a premium player at a premium price. It will come down before the end of the year, but unlike the PS3, they and the retailer have to actually make a per-unit profit (PS3 would be at least $600 right now if it followed normal profit/wholesale structure), and that's without the expensive 7.1 channel DACs inside it)
kinsmajp
  May 06, 2008
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Now that Sony has complete control of the high definition disc market, they can control price like they have a vice grip on us. They have basically no formidable competition......(so that's why they wanted to buy up all the market share of movie companies....)
TechJunkie
  May 06, 2008
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If there was legitimate concern that MS was trying to stall the adoption of hi-def optical media to allow them time to position digital downloads then it appears that now they are shooting themselves in the foot. There isn't enough time to follow the timeline that DVD took...

Luis_A51
  May 06, 2008
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Another thing to think about: Chances are the PS3 will be around $300-350 come christmas. So standalones prices have to drop by a LOT.
andyn1080
  May 06, 2008
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why not just get a ps3? save 300 bucks and get a free game system......or bluray player which ever way you look at it...........sorry but i have to say that people that fork out 600+ for a bd player must not understand that the ps3 is the best bd player and the firmware and the easiest to update. we now have dts-hd ma and bd-live......everything this player has and more.
shack96
  May 06, 2008
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Please think about this a little before you continue the uninformed comments. Panasonic, unlike the game console manufacturers, must sell their hardware for a profit. They do not have the luxury of being able to take a piece of the software sales like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to make up for the loss on the gaming hardware. Just try building a computer to play your blu-ray (or HD-DVD for that matter) movies. A BD-ROM alone is going to cost you ~$150. Combine that with the remaining hardware and I'd be impressed if you could pull off a pseudo-BD50 for even close to this price. Keep it in perspective folks.
I know we all wish Panasonic would send these to us at their expense, but that's not going to happen. Lets be realistic folks!
IMind
  May 06, 2008
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People are insane. This isn't a low price model, it wasn't designed to be a low price model. All you clamoring for a low price Blu-ray player... wait for the Funai models to come out and drop. Not to mention this is the intro MSRP! It's not the street price.

The original MSRP announced for the BDP-S300 was $599. It's now down to $399. That's a $200 friggen drop in a year, but all we here from the ex-HD-DVD fanbois is how the prices are going up.

doctorsteve
  May 06, 2008
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With the 80 gig Metal Gear 4 PS3 bundle at 499.99 this June - only the snobbiest of "I don't need a game system" folk need buy the Panny...

bkbluray
  May 06, 2008
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@IMind - I guarantee you that the ex-HD-DVD fanboys are not the only ones that are complaining about these prices. It is an insult that people should have to pay $699 (MSRP, I know) for a player. This probably means this player will debut at $599, which will still be a hefty price, especially considering American buyers with the current economy.

The actual price should debut at $499 and go down from there.

Sabian576
  May 06, 2008
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they should at least throw some lube in with that, cause OUCH! They can't actually expect people to choose this over the PS3 right...? Most people dont like spending an extra 2 bills on the same thing. I Love my PS3 and will contine to use it for the forseeable future.

stockstar1138
  May 06, 2008
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$700, this thing will be retailing for $399.99 or lower by xmas to comepete with the PS3.

Mr. Cinema
  May 06, 2008
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"$700, this thing will be retailing for $399.99 or lower by xmas to comepete with the PS3. " Panasonic is going to drop the price $300 in only a few months? I say no.

Does adding internal decoding, an ethernet port, and 1 gb of storage really add $200?

Obviously the price is not right on this model, hence the 3 pages of complaints so far.
DrXym
  May 06, 2008
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WickyWoo, I very much doubt the PS3 would cost $600 right now if it was full price. Even if it were, it would not explain why a standalone should cost more. A standalone does not require a Cell processor, or an RSX chip, or 256Mb RAM, or a hard disk drive, or blue tooth, or wifi.

The RRP on this thing should be $500 or less with substantial discounts on top.
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HDTV1080P
  May 06, 2008
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I am more interested in quality then price. The Panasonic DMP-BD50 is a good price for the first standalone profile 2.0 player. This is only $300 more then the cheapest PS3. Remember the PS3 is being sold below cost (perhaps Sony is losing $100-$200 on each PS3 machine and hopes to make the money up on BLU-RAY games, etc). Companies want to make a profit and they do not want to sale things below cost. Look at Toshiba that lost around $1 billion dollars with the failed HD-DVD format. Companies in general can not sale things below cost and last.
We do over time need profile 2.0 players that cost about $100 cheaper then the PS3. For example the PS2 which plays DVDís costs around $130 and one can purchase a DVD player for around $50. The same thing needs to happen with BLU-RAY. If the PS3 is priced at $400 then a standalone profile 2.0 BLU-RAY player needs to be priced at $300. Personally I do not mind spending $2,000 for a top of the line high end BLU-RAY player for the main home theater room but when one starts to replace all their DVD players with BLU-RAY players it would be ideal to have a profile 2.0 standalone player between $300-$500.

**Prices on profile 2.0 players will fall over time **

Rainman208
  May 06, 2008
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I'm trying to be patient but it's hard to sing the praises of Blu to the layman when you have to hit them with a $500-$700 price tag. My sister recently asked me which Blu-Ray player she should get when she buys her new TV. I got the same strange look from her that I get from most people when I tell them that when it comes to bang for the buck a PS3 is the best Blu ray player out now.

As much as I love my PS3 we can't keep telling people that a video game console is the best way to enter the HD world. We need quality $300 or less players and I know they're coming but like I said it's hard to get people hyped up over Blu just to hear them go "Screw that" when you tell them what a player costs.
IMind
  May 06, 2008
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@bkbluray: I'm annoyed that people expect companies to lose money in order to hit some imaginary price point based on some imaginary fear that Blu-ray will remain a niche market like Laser Disc.

Elandyll
  May 06, 2008
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I'm sorry but as much as I want Blu Ray to succeed, its starting to look like CE makers aren''t that concerned with the success of the format as the fans are.

Looks mroe and more like they are trying to make a buck while not really trusting the future of the format.
I am not a pessimistic guy by nature, but if they keep this up, Blu Ray is going to go the way of the laserdisc.
Around for years to come, but high end niche. It is now up to them to make the transition to mas market. Panasonic is giving us a bad exemple (I already thought the rumored price of $599 was too high), as $699 MSRP is downright stupid.
Hopefully, Sony and Samsung are going to ground them right back into reality with well priced BD1500 and BDS350 (hopefully at $399 MSRP and $349 retail for both, maybe at $329 retail for the samsung or less).

My only explanation for this at this point is that Pana is only counting the the Xmas period to generate big sales, and will ride the "wave of few very expensive units available" until Fall/ late Fall.
I guess they are eyeing at Pioneer who is all but sold out on their $1000 units.

Not the same market Pana, but keep it on. Sony and Samsung will dominate the market easily in your place if you don't price right.

blu-backer
  May 06, 2008
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Disappointing to see the price. The naysayers were on to something after all, sad to say. Pricing like this will only slow down adoption, not help it.

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PaulGo
  May 06, 2008
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Should have a MSRP of $399!

love4blu
  May 06, 2008
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Ouch!! People will just buy a PS3 or, will not even get to high-def for now at least!
Chris Llana
  May 06, 2008
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Duh. . . My first CD player cost that much (in 1985 dollars, thank you). And my first DVD player cost
that much, and it wasn't even progressive scan. There are other Blu-ray players on the market for
$2000 -- complain about those, why don't you!
Bancroft
  May 06, 2008
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I was looking forward to this player because I need to have internal decoding performed in the player. But, nope, too much. Sorry, I want Blue Ray to succeed but this is way out of line. Gas is $4 per gallon and the kids have to be fed.

keene6132
  May 06, 2008
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At this MSRP, the Pioneer BDP-05FD (for just 100 bucks more for an Elite player) is looking like a good choice! I know that the Pioneer isn't profile 2.0. However, I'm not convinced just yet on the value of profile 2.0. I simply just want to watch the darn movie at its' best quality...maybe a few extras already on the disc. That's all I have time for.

Bluoholic
  May 06, 2008
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From a realist point of view this is BS, it's cool that it has all lossless decoders and stuff and this price might be right for the day and technology point of view. If this is the case than release a player with 2.0 profile and without decoding lossless sound and put a $299 price tag on it and ppl will start biting.

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dobyblue
  May 06, 2008
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I am disappointed with the MSRP - I guess the economy is really screwing everyone.
I thought this would come out with an MSRP of $599 and list at $499, dropping another $50 or so once another 2.0 player hits the market.

I still think it will be $399 or less going into the holiday season.

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Jim L
  May 06, 2008
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With all the complaining going on, I'd like to point out that:

1) Panasonic is NOT a low-quality, cheap-ass company like Samsung (and others). [If you want super-cheap, lower your feature list or wait for LG and Funai models.]

2) The PS3 is a great value, but not the ultimate player for a home theater environment. I've had 2 and gotten rid of them. Their picture quality is inferior to the best Sony, Pioneer and Panasonic BD players. They are noiser than standalones. They do not have analog outs. They do not fully integrate with IR universal remotes. The PS3 is also made for a different purpose and profit-model. Remember, Panasonic has to actually make a profit on these things.

3) Does everyone really care about 2.0 BD-Live? If not, just get the BD-30. You can still download the extra content from your PC to an SD memory card and put that in the SD slot on the BD-30.

It is very unrealistic for consumers to expect every high-end feature right NOW, and in a sub-$200 package . Sheesh! You all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies.
Scorxpion
  May 06, 2008
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If in US this player is $700 bucks what about us living abroad how much is going to cost.

Still PS3 my favourite player and cost effective ,i can buy another one for $500 ...Hopefully Soon Panasonic will revise the price and make this player affordable to everyone.

I like this player and i would like to own one besides my PS3...I'll wait and see how far the price will go on
Why i did not buy the panasonic BDP-30 because of unability of internal decoding ,i would like to own a perfect player who can decode everything internally just to do a comparaison with my PS3 decoding through HDMI.

Now if Panasonic made a player without 2.0 profile and even without 1.1 but can decode all lossless sound through analog outputs i'm over it with a less effective price.
Farscape1
  May 06, 2008
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Get movies down in price, this will effect things more. I want to see prices down in the $12-20 dollar
mark! As far as the players, the MSRP I bet will be lower... And I am sure there will be places
discounting them as well. I never go off of there announced price, hell I got my BD30 for $125 off of
list price...... HD-DVD lost this war by pricing themselves out of the market, now Blu-Ray has a more
difficult task on hand, they need cheaper players, but they need some good medium priced ones as
well, I expect this when it hits the street to be a lot less than what is listed now.

181
  May 06, 2008
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"Sheesh! You all sound like a bunch of spoiled babies."

On the contrary, Panasonic sounds greedy and dumb for pricing a disc player at $700 MSRP this far into the game.

If player prices don't drop to $199 and below this year, Blu-ray will not catch on. If Panasonic wants to stay into the game, since they have slightly better quality products they may want to target the $299 to $399 price range for a player.

Don't compare this to the early DVD days. Things have changed. The consumers have different expectations.

mrbakeman
  May 06, 2008
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I think i'm still going to go with the PS3 for my second Blu-ray player, why spend that much when the PS3 does everything this does and more.
Farscape1
  May 06, 2008
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181:

What do you think one the War, cheap software? Cheap hardware didn't play into it as much as
you
think. Sure I agree with you about getting players cheaper, if you don't like the price then go buy a
Funai unit. What is even killing Blu-Ray more than this is the legacy of cheap players before they
died a miserable death! I bet we see this thing around $399-$499 if they expect to sell any, but
software needs to be cheaper or why buy any player......

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Josh
  May 06, 2008
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Being that I paid $1300 for my DMP-BD10 (which still works great, btw), I will gladdly purchase the BD50. A great player is priceless.

Kinsella5
  May 06, 2008
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I would have to say I agree with everyone here, this player is extremely overpriced. What some aren't catching though is it states "manufacturers suggested retail price of $699.95". Does that mean retailers have to sell it at that? No, not at all, and my guess is, they won't. I am making my leap into Hi-Def and was awaiting this player, but at $700, my wait may be longer than I wanted. I was very surprised to see Panasonic put a $700 suggested retail price on this unit, when their current player is $499 (cheaper online). That is a $200 price INCREASE and generally the unwritten rule is technology gets cheaper the longer it is out. I feel Panasonic is shooting themselves in the foot because our current economy is rather poor (everyone will agree with me on that) and I can't see many people shelling out $700 for this. I have a feeling retailers are going to realize that and perhaps price it $100 less, but even still, at $600, it is too expensive. Perhaps because Blu-Ray won out over HD-DVD, Panasonic feels they can "milk the consumer" by having such a high price for this unit. In the end, I feel the consumers will go in another direction and buy Sony (or even Samsung if they can get the 1500 series to perform better than the 1400). Sony is probably sitting back and laughing because they obviously were waiting for Panasonic to announce their price points on this 50 series player, so they can price their new model cheaper that comes out in June.

There is the PS3 factor as well, even though I wouldn't buy one, as I already own a 360. Panasonic should have made this new player $499 and drop the price on the 30 series to $349.

doctorsteve
  May 06, 2008
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(Rainman208: "we can't keep telling people that a video game console is the best way to enter the HD world")

Then quit telling them it's a game console.

doctorsteve
  May 06, 2008
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You know, maybe Panny can grab a page from Toshiba's playbook and market the 50 as the best upconverter out there...

fdm
  May 06, 2008
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You guys should get used to higher prices. The dollar has lost a significant % of its value over the last few years (let's say 7 or so)... (Oil @ 120+ a barrel, anyone paying attention.. it's not just because of supply and demand that the price is so high.) Foreign companies now have to charge you more to make up for the significant hit the dollar has suffered. You can thank the idiots in charge for that (thanks W!)...

joeorc
  May 06, 2008
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Blu-Ray is already a standard why is a number of people worried about Blu-Ray as a formats future if players do not get below $300.00 this year...?
i think the format war has people still Q: about Blu-Ray as a viable format..guess what it was a viable format before the format war and is still a viable format after THE FORMAT WAR BLU-RAY HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET in one shape or form since 2003.to expect the HARDWARE companies to take a bath LIKE TOSHIBA did with HD DVD is just stupid. i want the price of Blu-Ray to drop just as much as the next guy. but For ONE

1.the switch to digital in the US is not until 2009
2. people are just now starting to buy HD TV's so even if they did purchase a blu-ray player they could not take a advantage of the extra resolution of the picture quality
3. the Hardware companies know this they can wait can you...?

i think people who are getting all worked up over this need to take a breather Blu-Ray is already a standard, has been a proven technology and will become mainstream just take some time thats all.if people are worried about Digital downloads be the replacement for DVD while blu-ray dies on the vine don't be. INMO remember most of the people that buy DVD's just want to buy a disc pop it in the player and it work, not have a hassle on downloading the content.

joeorc
  May 06, 2008
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(Rainman208: "we can't keep telling people that a video game console is the best way to enter the HD world")

the PS3 is not just a game console the playstation 3 is a full LINUX PC ...JUST LIKE a MEDIA CENTER PC.. SO YEA IN my OPINION it is a great way to enter into THE HD WORLD.

1Fish2FishRedFishBlu
  May 06, 2008
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Wow, so dissapointing. I want a good 2nd player and this will keep me from buying a stand alone 2.0 profile for a while.

Over the last 20 years i've bought enough $300 paperweights, from 2x oversampling CD players, to VHS to 1st gen DVD and anything in the $700 range had better make be breakfast as well as play blu.

Looks like ill be waiting a very long time for a decent player at a decent price.

Rainman208
  May 06, 2008
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We are getting worked up because many of us early adopters know the great benefits and enjoyment of Blu-ray. We want everyone to see what we've been seeing for years now and it's really hard to get non video/audiophile folks to go buy that HDTV and get full use of it with a Blu-Ray player when all the decent name hardware are at what would be considered to them too steep a price.

How much easier would the sales pitch be when friends/family come over and see your high def set up if you could say; you can have this great PQ&AQ too. 42" 1080p plasmas can be had for just a little over a grand. Wow they say. Then you tell them the best PQ & AQ source comes from Blu-ray. How much does one of those cost they ask. You say, well a good one will run $400-$600. That's where the reactions go from wows to groans. I hesitate to tell a newbie to HD to pick up the el-cheapo players b/c when they have all sorts of playback issues it will sour them and they'll spread the word that all that Blu-ray stuff isn't worth it. We all know it really is but it just isn't that attractive cost wise to the average Joes.

Nobody wants companies like Panasonic or Sony to take a bath on any of their products. I think the feeling is that the balance between attractive pricing and quality is not being attempted aggressively enough.

Rainman208
  May 06, 2008
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Joeorc

I know the PS3 is an awesome piece of machinery but to folks who don't know any better and are just looking for a player the box says "Playstation 3" and far as they're concerned it will always be a video game system first and whatever else later. I wish it wasn't so but that's the reaction I get when I tell people to get themselves a PS3.

joeorc
  May 06, 2008
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Rainman208

Nobody wants companies like Panasonic or Sony to take a bath on any of their products. I think the feeling is that the balance between attractive pricing and quality is not being attempted aggressively enough.

aggressively enough..?

what would that time frame be to lower the price faster if its not needed right now.?.simple what is the production numbers of Blu-Ray players...? most of the consumers have yet to even buy a HD TV the industry is waiting for 2009 INMO because their is no real rush to advance the price lowering point if the companies who produce the hardware know for even a chance to sell their hardware at a price point for lower cost will require switch to HD TV because the HD TV's are the real stop gap right now. not these players, its the HD TV's. Consumers cannot get any real advantage of blu-ray until HD TV's become more of the standard over Analog which is sooner than later so its not that much of a wait.

all the press of blu-ray not being picked up Quickly as they think need to stop and think about that for a sec. the rush to HD is fine and all but with the price of HD entertainment at a all time premium and the US $ at a all time low in its value the price for entertainment is just not on the top priority of the Consumer staying alive is. food, Gas, House payments. etc right now its not that people would not want to upgrade to HD its just people are spending their money elsewhere.

the electronics industry know this .they can wait to lower the price when first the switch to HD in the US AND FOR THE RECESSION to go away.

the Media is putting out Quit a bit of FUD in general about Blu-Ray over one NPD report durring
a) recession
b) when in 2nd Q sales for spring most people are holding on to their money for spending in the Fall.

its just people being antsy over something that just is no need for INMO.

joeorc
  May 06, 2008
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Rainman208

Joeorc

I know the PS3 is an awesome piece of machinery but to folks who don't know any better and are just looking for a player the box says "Playstation 3" and far as they're concerned it will always be a video game system first and whatever else later. I wish it wasn't so but that's the reaction I get when I tell people to get themselves a PS3.

there is not such thing as only "just a game console" anymore..the "JUST A GAME CONSOLE"
is just a myth...that stopped being the case since what could be stated as "just a game console" could only play games which none of the new system's just only play just games.

the "just a game console" is gone the way of the dodo
because convergence has made sure of that . since the playstation 1 the playstation has always done more than played "games"


ps1
Games
Music

ps2
Games
music
dvd's
linux
some internet

ps3
Games
music
DVD's+ Blu-Ray
full Web browsing
and
full Linux capability

as you can see the Playstation system has always been more than just a game machine

Blu Haze
  May 06, 2008
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No one even wants to spend money on the movies let alone the money for the player.

Bobby Henderson
  May 06, 2008
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The participants in this thread trying to justify the really high price of the DMP-BD50 by comparing early DVD pricing clearly do not have their history straight.

The Blu-ray format has been on the market for 2 years. When DVD hit the 2 year mark, full featured standalone players with built in Dolby Digital decoding, 5.1 analog outputs and DTS output were selling in the $400-$500 price range. Earlier generation players lacking features like DTS Digital Output and such were selling for considerably less.

Mr. Cinema
  May 06, 2008
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http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006899.html

PC World says the player does NOT have the 1GB of on board memory for BD Live. You have to use a SD Card instead. So for an extra $200, you get an ethernet port and internal decoding. I am definitely going to wait for the Sony 550.

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Wingman1977
  May 06, 2008
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With blu-ray players are at these prices, no wonder the sales are slow for blu-ray.

gandley
  May 06, 2008
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and all the while you can still buy SD dvd players for over $2500. If you want cheap ass crap then you should of gone for HDDVD. pay peanuts, get monkeys. This is a premium player at a very good price. cant wait.

\cheap pricing didnt exactly work for HDDVD folks.

Bobby Henderson
  May 06, 2008
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Who in the hell is going to pay for a $2500 DVD player? And is that statement supposed to suggest that $2500 DVD players are common at all?

No one here is asking for cheap HD-DVD style pricing (like in the $99 range). Many agree the prices on OBSOLETE Profile 1.0 Blu-ray players is stupidly high.

There's also nothing extremely special about the Panasonic DMP-BD50. It's only the first Blu-ray player with a somewhat complete specification to it. Well, that is if you go out and buy an extra 1GB SD card for it. At $700 MSRP, the unit is indeed over-priced. And the previous Profile 1.1 DMP-BD50 is still commanding its $500 price tag.

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  May 06, 2008
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gandley:

\cheap pricing didnt exactly work for HDDVD folks.

Cheap pricing was the reason why HD DVD lasted so long. If HD DVD had 50GB+ discs and a wider selection of popular manufacturers and retained its low price point, it would have smoked Blu-ray.

GORT
  May 06, 2008
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What part of "Suggested Retail Price " was missed I do not see Final Price any place in the story so why dont we all wait and see what the price is when it gets to the retail level

tvine2000
  May 06, 2008
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besides how many bd -live movies do we have now,very few.
another thing what the big deal with 2.0 anyways.its a nice feature but i really don't care.
lets see if sony keeps to there word with the 350&550.
fear not china is coming and if there prices are anywhere in the ballpark,that was rumoured,they may help get bd where jp6 will bite.on the other hand its been rumoured there prices may not be any better. with panny this is a case of a company saying one thing then doing what they want. lets see what sony does.will they follow the crowd or are they really interested in getting bd to mass adoption.
ou8124af
  May 07, 2008
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Thats it, keep those Blu-ray player prices through the roof. That will lure more consumers...;)
JadedRaverLA
  May 07, 2008
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While I understand the desire of everyone here to see Blu-ray players to drop in price as fast as possible, I don't see why anyone expected a lower price on this player.

Panasonic has always marketed their Blu-ray players as a premium product over other brands. On top of that, this is the most highly anticipated player ever, and they can't manufacture their existing BD30 fast enough to keep them in stock anywhere. This player will probably be impossible to find for the first few months as it is, so why set the initial MSRP any lower?

If you want BD Live, you can get a PS3, a Samsung BD-P1500 (and hope they follow through with their firmware update), or wait for new Sony models. All cost far less than this Panasonic player. Panasonic isn't the only game in town -- they're just one of the pricier options that everyone wants because they make a great product and support it well. You don't demand a Lexus at the price of a Kia on the logic that they both are just cars and both do the same thing.

At any rate, for those who "must have" this player, once the launch window has passed, and Panasonic is able to meet marketplace demand, this player's price will fall... as EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER has. Sometimes I think people here are just looking for reasons to argue since HD DVD gave up the fight.

Zaphod
  May 07, 2008
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I understand the disappointment but you have to remember this is one player. As long as we don't see new players be released at above normal price points then we shouldn't be too worried. I will worry when all CE's start releasing their upcoming BD-Live and Bonusview players at a higher than normal price point...
subzero7
  May 07, 2008
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I bet this player will sell just fine. And as the year progresses and other models start coming out the prices will drop. I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturers are trying to get as much of the high end dollar as possible for one more year, but by this Christmas, I expect that there will be players down to the $300 range and next year (if for no other reasong but because they can't delay the price drop any more and expect to make the money the want to make overall), the prices will plumet. I'm sure Blu-ray is going to survive just fine thank you very much.

VenomXR8
  May 07, 2008
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Im so pissed that ferrari charge $450,000 for a new F430, when I can buy an old ford for $1000. Be Realistic people, prices drop over time, you cant expect to have the best and not pay a premium for it. Dont forget these are MSRP and only stupid people pay full retail for electronics. There are deals to be found on everything. The panic needs to stop.

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Irrob
  May 07, 2008
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I have a Panasonic DMP-BD30 and a PS3. So I'll pass.
Gaius
  May 07, 2008
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What the hell!!!
im waiting for the arcam player to come out,, that will be a very special player indeed!!
for now i am useing a ps3 which for now is a very safe bet but when the arcam comes to market i will pay the asking price as in my opinion they make some of the worlds best gear!!
the dvd players they do are magical as is the av and hifi gear, i dont mind paying if the goods deliver

sony1569
  May 07, 2008
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$700 dollars is too much for this player especially when you can get a PS3 for $400. As much as it pains me to say this but if players stay at these prices, Blu-ray will not catch on more than it already has. It's a shame. Being a long time supporter of the format I think since HDDVD went under Blu-ray got complacent. The BDA a should be happy that the PS3 is here and downloads are a couple of years away because at these prices even I (a long time Blu-ray supporter) would have never gotten into Blu-ray

will0775
  May 07, 2008
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Waay too expensive.......I sell electronics for a living,and I always tell my costumers to buy the PS3 is the best player there is, and if you go to places like Costco for $100 more you can get two controller's, one blu ray remote, the new Grand turismo game and one HDMI cable(if you buy the bundle at the store) . That would bring you total to $499.99 and how much this panny player was again? you be the judge.

Sonny
  May 07, 2008
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Damn I "wanted" at least 3 of these, but i'm not going to shell out 700$ per player....thats just the crappy MSRP anyway. They will sell for 500$ to just under 600$ right out of the gate, for X-MAS this year they will be sub 500$ , but I'll get um for 275$ to 300$ :-) I LOVE my PS3's !!!

Bobby Henderson
  May 07, 2008
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JadedRaverLA said:
"On top of that, this is the most highly anticipated player ever, and they can't manufacture their existing BD30 fast enough to keep them in stock anywhere."

Every place I've visited recently that sells Blu-ray players has the BD30 in stock. I was at Sears yesterday paying a credit card bill and saw BD30 players in stock. The store hasn't been moving any of the things. $500 is pricey for a profile 1.1 player.

VenonXR8 said:
"Im so pissed that ferrari charge $450,000 for a new F430, when I can buy an old ford for $1000."

The Panasonic BD50 is not a Ferrari class product. The $700 price on that player is more similar to a car dealer charging $250,000 for a new Chevy Silverado pickup truck.

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that1guystudios
  May 07, 2008
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If someone is stupid enough to buy this instead of a PS3 at that price they need to be smacked.
;-) Seriously though, the price will eventually come down.

adkinsse54
  May 07, 2008
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Until Panasonic gets competition from other manufacturers, the price will not come down. Example,
on-line and brick&morter retailers still sell the BD30 for $499.00 (the MSRP). Now that Blu-Ray is the
"only game in town", the price of the hardware and software is left to "competition" between
manufacturers and studios in the same "camp" looking to recoup R&D cost. Can you say COLLUSION
and Price Gouging, anyone!!!
unclestevie2
  May 07, 2008
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This player was originally reported to release at a list of $599.95 (which is also too high).
What happened here?! Anyway, will wait for the new Sonys now.

PLASMA-1080P-FULLHD
  May 08, 2008
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BD-50 suppose to be their top of line BD player. dont buy it if u CANT afford. Just shut the hell up!
willyd
  May 11, 2008
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i can't say i am at all surprised by the $699 price tag. one of my local best buys is trying to sell a demo bd-10 for $349. i was at a sonystyle outlet that had boxes of refurbished bdp-s1's and bdp-s300's for $299 and $289, respectively. those prices are tempting, but i am waiting until i can get a player that i don't want to replace in a year or two.

i have a rca hd dvd player hooked up to the analog inputs of my yamaha non-hdmi receiver. i will have to be thoroughly tempted to buy this bd-50 in order to replace my hd dvd player -- i am certainly not running out to get it for $699. i will throw down money for a player, but i am seriously considering the $799 pioneer 05fd player over the panny bd-50 -- and i own a panny plasma hdtv (so i do like their quality).

but i am not so snooty as to bash samsung in general, although i know that the bd1200 was a faulty player (although to sammy's credit they did attempt to build a quality player with a good upscaling chip -- the realta, i believe). i've actually seen the sammy plasma hdtv's and have been quite enamored with them.

of course, one of the hanging points for me now (which should be reflected in the not wanting to replace my player in a few years) is that netflix is likely to activate it's watch instantly with one or more of these upcoming blu-ray players. netflix is working with lg and at least 3 other partners (which they haven't named as of yet) -- i think it's probably safe to say that microsoft is one of the hardware partners (with its xbox 360, which can play netflix's watch instantly content with a window vista pc).

BluMood
  May 13, 2008
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Buy the BD30 and pass the audio via HDMI to the Oyk 605-606 for the same price. WOW....all digital DolbyTrueHD and DTS master STRAIGHT to the speakers AND NOT ANALOG outs on the BD-50.... Give me a break. THINK PEOPLE


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