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Sony Reveals Blu-spec CD; Profile 3.0 Future Unknown

Posted November 5, 2008 10:21 AM by Josh Dreuth

Sony BMGSony Music Entertainment has announced the creation of the Blu-spec CD format which allows higher quality audio playback from standard CD players. The format uses Blu-ray laser diodes and advanced polymers in order to improve on the standard (Redbook) CD format while operating within the format parameters.

A common problem with standard CDs is an issue called "jitter" which represents variation in the characteristics of the audio signal. Many high-end CD Players use various means to reduce jitter, but Sony will use the precise burning ability of Blu-ray laser diodes to reduce the problem, which will improve audio playback.

Despite the name similarities, this is not the Profile 3.0 (audio only) Blu-ray spec that many audiophiles have been waiting for. We are still awaiting some word as to the availability of that technology.

The Blu-spec CD format will launch on December 24th with 60 classical and jazz music titles.


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jasontkelley1746
  Nov 05, 2008
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I am pretty sure those cd's will be a flop.

Rainman208
  Nov 05, 2008
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I'll second that thought.
daniel1994
  Nov 05, 2008
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If it's Sony, it means it will flop just like SACD. They should worry about Blu-Ray movies. yes there has been an improvement in sales but still miniscule vs. overall sales of DVD. Even if they did this format for my favorite artist (Bruce Springsteen), I still wouldn't buy.

Cinemaddict
  Nov 05, 2008
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Unlike movies, music is all about downloading, isn't it?

dialog_gvf
  Nov 05, 2008
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I believe this is a way of use Blu-ray burners to burn higher quality Blu-spec CD-R.

But, this would be duplication. So, it won't be seen with mass produced CDs.

Gary

garak
  Nov 05, 2008
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I for one hope it succeeds. Not everyone wants crappy, low quality, downloaded mp3s.

merch!
  Nov 05, 2008
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Thank you! Finally a voice of reason... Fuck mp3.
Hanzaki
  Nov 05, 2008
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"Unlike movies, music is all about downloading, isn't it? "

I hope not, I dont want crappy mp3s... :/

Branden
  Nov 05, 2008
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how would these compare to SACD/DVD-A? i'd love it if the music industry united behind a HQ audio format.

i hate low quality, therefore i hate downloads.

ToEhrIsHuman
  Nov 05, 2008
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They won't compare at all to SACD/DVD-A. It says right there these are "red-book" CDs, only they won't be affected by issues such as judder to such an extent as current ones can be. CD is barely limping along and these, especially if they increase manufacturing costs, will be DOA.

Bring on BD Profile 3!! I miss having new SACD releases.

Bobby Henderson
  Nov 05, 2008
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If a premium is charged for these Blu-laser written standard music CDs then there will be problems. If it is something that doesn't make any difference in cost (such as HDCD encoding) then it won't really matter.

I'm not surprised to see the first batch of CD releases using this stuff are in the jazz and classical music genres -where recording/engineering practices are up to higher standards. Rock and pop music these days seems to be produced with very little if any concern at all in recording quality.

groovyone
  Nov 05, 2008
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So, they will be using Blu-ray lasers to burn 'cleaner' discs. Sounds good if they don't cost extra. It doesn't sound liek a 'new' format, just a way to improve the manufacture of the current CD format.

Sonny
  Nov 05, 2008
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I'm with Sony "Keeping its nose in Blu-ray Movies" , & not jumping over to Blu-CD's....not yet
anyway...?

okcomputer
  Nov 05, 2008
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I'm patiently waiting for the profile 3 discs... I'd love to hear some
albums remixed in 5.1

This new tech seems useless to me. MP3s and iTunes have proved that
customers really do not care about having the highest-quality audio.
They obviously don't want something that sounds terrible, but blind tests
show that the average consumer cannot tell the difference between iTunes
AACs, most MP3s and actual CDs.

Why does SONY think people would care enough to buy a more expensive
version of the CDs that aren't selling enough as it is?

Either create a product that pushes the boundaries and gives consumers
something more and something that a lot of people will buy, or don't put it
out. Learn from your mistakes!!!

Sidenote: please keep developing and pushing Bluray. I do not want it to die.
It is the best thing to happen to my movie addiction in a very long time.

spcamaj
  Nov 05, 2008
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they should keep it at movies

Bluoholic
  Nov 05, 2008
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hehe good luck with that.

hc666
  Nov 05, 2008
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Mp3s SUCK! Oh how I hate them, vinyl and cds for me!

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dobyblue
  Nov 05, 2008
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Keeping Blu-ray for movies only is foolish. There is a massive chance here for Blu-ray to present a new revenue stream for the record labels, providing they add in additional content like video footage, interviews, etc., etc., always in high resolution sound and HD video where applicable.

This new Blu-CD thing will work in all CD players and that's fine...as long as they're not foolish enough to try and create a new audio format that requires a special player as that won't work.
191
  Nov 05, 2008
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Just a word to the wise regarding possible BD 3.0 spec.

If it can't offer the rippable current CD 16bit 44.1 kHz standard as well as a protected DRM 24bit 96 kHz duplicate. IT WILL NOT SUCCEED.

People will not buy BD audio if they cannot rip or make mp3's as easily and at the same quality as they currently do with CDs.

There is plenty of space on a BD50.

This probably won't happen, but it is absolutely necessary for any BD Audio spec to succeed.

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pro-bassoonist
  Nov 05, 2008
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As long as these are backwards compatible with current CD players and do not require a new piece of hardware I am ready to give them a chance.

Pro-B

CptGreedle
  Nov 05, 2008
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So these are regular CDs that play on regular CD players, but burned using a Blu-ray burner
(essentially)?
As long as they play on my CD players and can be imported to iTunes in lossless then great. But I was
really hoping for a Blu-ray profile 3.0 spec instead.

I doubt this will take off much, but who knows.

prankster
  Nov 05, 2008
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great! i hope this becomes the standard!

Robert Siegel
  Nov 05, 2008
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Why don't they just just release music CD's on blu-ray discs in DTS Master Audio? That would basically be a replica of the original master tapes.

doctorsteve
  Nov 05, 2008
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OK, I don't get it - so are you saying that using a Blu laser diode to burn regular CD's will allow higher quality audio to be played back in regular CD players?

I'm confused. Could somebody explain this to me in a PM? Thanks...

sinister184
  Nov 05, 2008
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is sony just looking for ways to get further into the red?
mikesoba
  Nov 05, 2008
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And what are we supposed to do with all the SACDs that require special equipment to play? Is this the end? Did we waste a ton of money on this fairly new technology?
DVDave
  Nov 05, 2008
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Can we say DVD-Audio? Mini-Disc? Another failed consumer audio format.

Blu-ray hasn't even had enough penetration in the consumer marketplace. Most personal computers have yet to make blu-ray drives standard. Bottom line, people don't want to buy their entire music libraries all over again and will see this as another futile attempt by the music industry to hustle them. John Q. Public is completely satisfied with CD quality sound. The red laser Compact Disc format is here to stay until online music distribution completely overtakes the music industry as the standard for digital audio delivery.

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Intamin
  Nov 05, 2008
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I'd like to think I'll be picking a couple of these up this Christmas. Bring on good quality audio.
bluskiff
  Nov 05, 2008
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let me tell you I record audio for a living. Cds sound like shit 16 bit 44.1 sucks. high quality 24 bit
9600 or 24 bit 19200 will be amazing. Like sitting in the studio listening to the master recordings.
And just remember some people buy music to listen to on good gear if you want to rip a cd ,download
from limewire, or listen to music on a 10 dollar set of computer speakers this technology is probably
not for you.
beast0117
  Nov 05, 2008
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It would seem that for every 3 propritary memory schemes Sony dreams up, one works well.

The proof is already there for DVD-A and SACD, so why invest in this medium at all? Wouldn't it be wiser to expand on the current footing and increasing momentum of Blu-Ray and just create audio blu-ray? This way nobody has to buy another player (which is why DVD-A failed).

Just a thought.

fettastic
  Nov 05, 2008
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If they stick with classical and jazz, then it will be just as successful as SACD.
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ghebert
  Nov 05, 2008
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Depends what the price of these discs are....people are hardly paying for regular cd's that are $12-15 what makes Sony think that people will pay for $25-30 music discs.

groovyone
  Nov 05, 2008
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@ghebert Where are you getting $$ figures from??

People aren't grasping this one well. IT IS NOT A NEW FORMAT. It is CD with a better burning process that will play in CD players. It is not on a BD, it is not the same as SACD and DVDA or Mini-Disc. SAME FORMAT - NEW BURNING PROCESS
Chevypower
  Nov 05, 2008
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Some of the comments on here are laughable. If the media is what gives the audio such good quality,
then when the master at the studio is on a hard drive, it's crap, but when it goes on to CD's for
distribution - it then becomes good quality? Then when someone rips the CD in to iTunes using either
WAV or AIFF 44,100hz 16 Bit Stereo or Lossless, it becomes crappy again?
And MNTwister, if you used DTS Master Audio, which is no better quality than uncompressed, it's just
compressed without any loss in audible quality, you wouldn't NEED a Blue Laser disc to store the data,
it would still fit on a 750MB CD.

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dobyblue
  Nov 05, 2008
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You cannot compare this to SACD or DVD-Audio, because it's a CD...just burned using narrow blue laser instead of red laser to remove jitter.

It plays in every CD player. SACD's and DVD-Audio discs do not play in every CD player.

If they bring it out and it improves sound quality with minimal cost increase, great.

191 - When Blu-ray Discs start being released for album releases, you can fully expect to see a CD digital copy on board rather than including a rippable 16/44.1 track on the BD. CD's cost peanuts.

Mr. Joshua
  Nov 05, 2008
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ah my favorite music in blu i would love that....
mrbmarco
  Nov 05, 2008
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Isn't SONY Japan re-issuing catalog titles with the new SHM-CD? I wonder if this is
all related?

kingofgrills
  Nov 05, 2008
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This is welcomed news for regular CDs, but I don't think it's a big deal. I think Blu-Spec CDs will be marketed similarly to the 20-bit remastered original recording CDs being reissued by Columbia and Blue Note.

It's just a new mastering method - not a new disc format. It will likely appear as a symbol or as subtext on a CD's packaging.

axia777
  Nov 05, 2008
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Good luck on this one Sony. What a lame idea. EPIC FAIL.

TheTenth
  Nov 05, 2008
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go Sony ! I've been as disappointed by the audio of quality than the video quality of DVD
bluskiff
  Nov 05, 2008
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digital clocks are used all the time in recording studios they correct jitter so sony are selling jitter
corrected cds. hmmmmm It sounds like a good Idea.

ObiTrentKenobi
  Nov 05, 2008
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Everybody here seems to have taken the technology out of context...

These are Standard CD's... burned with blue laser diodes, meaning; tighter and more accurate burning than the standard red laser diodes. blue laser light is more intense and has a higher frequency, allowing the information (a song track) to be placed onto a disc using less-to-no compression.

CD's lose audio quality because they are compressed to fit onto that 700mb disc burned with a red laser diode.
But... if that same 700mb disc format is burned from the master audio track using a blue laser diode, the information is fitted tighter and more accurately, there is less compression, and thus better audio quality.

This is a great idea! and its smart and will cost next to nothing for the manufacturer's because they're only implementing technology that already exists, blu-ray. What's been missing from the industry though, is larger sized CD's than the standard 700mb/80min. A nice 2-4GB CD could be used to store the lossless audio.

Just imagine... The Beatle's 'Let It Be' in lossless audio, on a 4GB compact disc that plays in standard cd players you already own! My perfect world is almost coming together.....

phantompwr
  Nov 05, 2008
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wow, some people posting here don't seem to be reading that news item carefully. I think what they are saying is that they will use the blue laser to burn regular cds, and the cds won't be any different, except that the pits and grooves will be more accurate and precise, which will reduce the tiny errors that can be caused when the discs are later read in any regular CD player.
Personally, I think it is a great idea, but I don't think it is going to make a huge difference at this point.
I would really really really like to see a new high def audio format.
Especially (and I know this is a big reach) I wanna hear Zaireeka in 7.1
bykes
  Nov 05, 2008
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It uses advanced polymers! Its gotta be good! LOL.

merch!
  Nov 05, 2008
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"I wanna hear Zaireeka in 7.1"

Zaireeka is pretty much custom made for 4.0... I ripped each disc and burned a DVD with each disc coming from a different channel. Not sure how they'd make that with 3 more channels.
Bombthroat
  Nov 05, 2008
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No one respects music quality any more. This is evident by the fact that no download music is even close to CD quality let alone an improvement. A crying shame if you ask me.

Funny thing is, people clamor to get this inferior quality. It's like someone was sitting listening to a CD one day and decided it was much too high quality. Yes, what the world needed was an inferior format that would cost around the same to purchase. Woohoo! </sarcasm>

Beta-guy
  Nov 06, 2008
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if they are going to be sticking with physical media, just use Profile 3.0 at least then it'll be giving better quality audio, and if they want to maintain compatibility they could add a CD layer for an extra dollar or 2 if that, plus BD Profile 3.0 can give the studios better means to protect their content with BD+ or AACS.

Excalibur-king
  Nov 06, 2008
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Oh man i remenber i posted something about this a while a go on the forums Blu-ray musik and movies sounds pretty awesome and Profile 3.0 HOLY CRAP!!!! Sony never fails to impress me WOW!!!!

Excalibur-king
  Nov 06, 2008
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Yeah here it is.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=57186
azure_blue
  Nov 06, 2008
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"The company will also use polymer plastic for the actual discs"
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15871.cfm
I 'd be surprised if these types of RBCDs are released outside Japan.
I assume this is Sony's response to JVC/Universal's SMH-CD and Toshiba-EMI's HQCD.

Jace86
  Nov 06, 2008
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OMG WHY!!! just stop seriously their is no need to do this....

illegalprelude
  Nov 06, 2008
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yea, can somebody clarify. I dont mind this if it works in current CD players but if a new player is
needed, I love Sony and I have plenty of Blu-rays (near 130) and lots of UMD's and such, so I dont
mind new formats, but because CD is on the dying some of the music industry, nobody will want to
convert to it.

ObiTrentKenobi
  Nov 06, 2008
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Again, like i posted earlier... NO NEW PLAYER IS NEEDED! these are discs that will work in current cd players you already own; even in your car.

It's higher quality audio fit onto a standard compact disc format!

ObiTrentKenobi
  Nov 06, 2008
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In addition to my last posts... I would love to see the end of CD's, and the run into bluray music cd's.

Cd's cost 14-15 bucks now anyways, a bluray movie on average is about 25-30 bucks. A bluray music disc made in a 15 or 20GB format would be sweet! they would be cheaper than the 25 and 50GB discs, and the audio would be truly lossless!

Hallelujah!

Randall
  Nov 07, 2008
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Epic Fail. Nobody even buys CDs anymore.


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