In an industry first, Universal Studios Home Entertainment announced today the introduction of "groundbreaking" dual-format discs containing both Blu-ray and DVD versions of some of the studio's most iconic films. The new "flipper" discs will launch on January 19, 2010 with the spy thrillers 'The Bourne Identity', 'The Bourne Supremacy' and 'The Bourne Ultimatum', premiering in the US as individually packaged Blu-ray discs (see blu-ray.com, November 29).
According to Universal, this makes it "ideal" for anyone planning to upgrade to Blu-ray at a future date as well as current owners of both Blu-ray and DVD systems. Each side of Universal's flipper discs includes the entire movie as well as all available bonus features.
"Universal's flipper discs are the perfect way for consumers to future-proof their collections while still enjoying their favorite movies on all their existing DVD players," said Craig Kornblau, President of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. "The flipper disc offers an easy way for viewers to convert to Blu-ray now or at any time in the future, confident in the fact they will be able to experience their home entertainment purchases in the highest quality picture and sound when they do."
The disc specifications for the 'Bourne' films list the discs as "BD-59", which indicates that they would be dual-layered on both the BD and DVD sides.
Flipper BD/DVD discs were tested in the early days of Blu-ray, but they were deemed impractical. It is unknown what development has made them possible now, and if any other company has worked in the development.
In 2006-2008, when Universal supported HD DVD exclusively, they were the major studio that most often went for combo editions, using it for most of its new releases and even some catalog titles.
Focus on releasing the BEST audio and video transfers for the movie and you will have no trouble getting adopters. OTHERWISE if its a marginal upgrade in those 2 departments, why would anyone upgrade?
May as well put a pizza and some flowers on it as well but it won't help you with adopters!
ONCE AGAIN UNIVERSAL!! This studio is so lost , I am not sure if they will ever find their way...They have so many goog titles and the WORSE BR transfers and current catalog...now flipper disc....??? what is this, 1998????
This is a sure way to Piss off alot of Blu Ray fans, If I wanted DVD's I would of never changed to Blu ray . I don't want the DVD format any more ,, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW ????? Just make the Blu ray's with the best transfers's & awsome audio and reduce the price By not wasting money on the DVD crap and you'll get pepole to upgrade.... Make Blu ray movies $15.99 for all new release's and they will sell faster than any DVD ever.....I will not buy any Flipside Blu rays I never did like them and I'm not going to start now ,, Sorry You'r sales will go down now,,,
Flippers are a pain in the ass, even when they were on DVD. You can't have a big title on the front of them and so you are stuck looking at a little ring around the middle that says in small print 'This side up for Blu-ray.' It's confusing as hell. I like the idea of trying to include a DVD version, but why not just do what others are? Package the actual DVD along with it!
Universal has a history of lame choices -- remember back in the 90s when they stripped the name brand. major artist pop music out a lot of their titles for DVD, replacing it with generic cheapo music so they wouldn't have to pay royalties? All those mutilated titles have, thankfully, since been re-issued with their original soundtracks.
It's a sad day for Universal. Flippers mean scecnes that freeze up and glitches. We're almost in 2010; DVDs are supposed to be on their way out. Why oh why go through the hassle of making f***in' flipper discs??
What makes a Blu-ray + DVD combo a bonus for a consumer is the ability and choice to keep the Blu-ray and give the DVD to a friend or family member. Flipper combos don't allow for that and I don't see myself purchasing any of these discs.
I have to agree with the general consenus here, and say that I also hate "flipper" discs. They are a pain. One side is pretty much bound to get finger prints and maybe even scratches on it, etc.
I'm fine with a DVD version being included on a separate disc (like many Disney releases tend to do), but that's about as far as it goes.
Does Universal even know what they are doing anymore? It seems like it's one extreme or the other with them.
Not too long ago, there was news posted about how Universal was going to start releasing Blu-Ray and DVD bundles where you get the same movie in both formats, but instead if them coming in multi-disc Blu-Ray case, they are both in their respective, separate format cases, with a band going around them. This just came across as extremely wasteful, as having a whole separate case is just pointless and takes up more space.
But now they are going to the opposite extreme. Not only are they eliminating the extra case, but also the extra disc. What is so hard about having a happy medium? They should either include the movie on DVD on a separate disc in the SAME case, or just don't include a DVD version at all.
While I am likely to buy any movies that I REALLY want no matter what, if any movies that I am "on the fence" about come out this way, then I will likely pass on them.
Once again, this is just Universal trying to compensate for their laziness when it comes to put out their catalogue titles on Blu-Ray. If there is one major studio that needs to get it in gear, it's these guys - we're still waiting on plenty of titles that were only released in HD on HD-DVD!
Email sent. Please send an email to Universal. I usually don't send emails to complain about this or that, but felt it necessary to do so in this case. Even if nothing comes from it, at least they become aware of our concerns.
Everyone that feels strongly about this, please use the links and email universal. It took only a few min. This would be terrible. I can just see all the customer complaints coming back again about the discs not working or "I just want the blu-ray, what do I need the freaking dvd too!"
I hate to say it but this could almost be interpreted as Universal getting itchy feet about the Blu-Ray format. Why put DVD discs in full-stop; whether it's a separate disc or on the flip-side of the Blu-Ray, most people buying Blu-Ray discs have those players and therefore want to watch the movies in hi-def.
Like a previous poster said, I wish all the studios would just wake up to the fact that no-one will switch from DVD to Blu-Ray en-mass unless Blu-Ray is at a comparative price point.
Chucking a DVD in the box still means that someone with only a DVD player will have to pay more than if they just bought the DVD.
This strategy by Universal will only work if they are intending to stop standard DVD releases altogether and drop the combo-disc prices to that of DVDs; meaning DVD buyers have no other option than to buy the combo discs.
Mwhoaahh, not the best idea ever, but it's not a disaster.
However, if you have a 2-disc release in a Amaray case with that kind of ''clapping'' holder for the second disc, it can cause some scratches...
Btw, what does it matter to dirt en scratch the DVD side, when you never play that at all?
LOL just kidding.
Wow- strong feelings! Is this really such an issue? Ok, you don't get disc art, but how much time do you really spend staring at the disc surface? To my understanding, the trouble with the HD DVD combo discs was that all the layers were on the same side (ie. that they were NOT "flippers"). This is not the case here. This move allows for the 'upgrade path' marketing point without the perceived risk of copies being split up among potential customers (as in, buying a BD + DVD set and giving the DVD to your buddy who then has no need to buy his own). I really don't see a lot of downside. Why all the knee-jerk hate?
Ever saw the disc art of the USA release of Children of Men?
Ugly, but nevertheless a very good disc!
It's the opposite of the Dutch proverb ''Al draagt een aap een gouden ring, het is en blijft een lelijk ding''
Translated to English: ''Already bears a monkey a golden ring, it's still an ugly thing'':D
Just sent Universal an email. Flipper-discs in general, no matter the format (a flipper CD, a Flipper DVD such as a DVD 10, or an HDDVD/DVD flipper) always come across as cheasy. The only thing flippers were good for was porno DVD's back in the 90's.
Doctorossi, the "combo discs with the layers on the same side" was/is a 'DVD 9'.
The flipper DVD's were called 'DVD 10'
The flipper HDDVD's are just like a 'DVD10', only one side is DVD and the other side is HDDVD.
I was a supporter of HD DVD from day 1 and would refuse to buy any combo discs... Really bad move on Universal's part to start this with BD... Call me anal but not having art on the disc just makes it look cheap... Pass on all of these that are combos...
I am definitely going to send an email. This could destroy releases like "Scarface", "Back to the Future", "Schindler's List", and "Rear Window". I just don't understand the point in having an SD copy along with the HD copy.
Nothing personal against flipper disks (the Dolphin???), but I'd rather have art on one side of my disks and data on the other. I'd like to see more progress in the direction of hybrid disks, those would be better.
I hope the overwhelming negative reaction will force Universal to reconsider this idiotic idea. I remember that at the height of the war Warner announced their intention to glue a blu-ray disc and a HD-DVD together and sell this combo under the name Total-HD. They abandoned this plan, I guess because of the negative reactions from both camps, and finally decided to take a side. I hate flippers since the early days of DVD and I will not buy them!
1.) Combos will cause many issues for the general public. My father-in-law isn't getting any younger, and I can see him getting one of these in his hands, unable to decifer which side is which, plays the Blu-Ray side in a normal DVD player, and calls me up to tell me his DVD Player is on the fritz because it won't play! It takes good eyes to see which side is which on these, and he doesn't have these.
2.) What happened to my DVD copy for the kids to handle? Oh yeah, that's right, execs over at Uni decided to glue it to my Blu-Ray version? In what? An attempt to reuse some of the marketing literature they had from the last time they attempted this?
The thing I hate most about the flipper disc is it will say "This side: Widescreen" (or Blu-ray in this case) and then you put it in with that side down, only to find out they meant "This side up", so then next time you assume it's that way, and they do the exact opposite.
"I DO NOT" like this idea!!! I only want a blu-ray version on my blu-ray that I purchase! I would rather they make it a blu-ray/DVD combo with 2 separate discs one for the blu-ray version and a separate disc for the bonus DVD.
While it won't keep me from buying a movie I really want, I agree with everyone else that this is a pretty dumb move by Universal. I am all for including the DVD version since I can still get use out of it in my house, but this is just dumb. Disney does it right by including the actual DVD separate in the case.
Sent a complaint letter as well. I really don't get this decision at all. If memory serves, Universal started re-releasing a bunch of their early HDDVD combo discs as HDDVD only discs during the last year of the format. It seems like they were taking a step back from combo discs even then.
May be it's cheaper to do a flipper/combo disc than print the art work on the disc ?
May be this is an attempt to only produce a single release for blu-ray/DVD so you are forced to get both ?
May be this is an attempt to sell DVD at a higher price since it includes the blu-ray, in which will cost Redbox and those kiosk rental places more money for each disc ?
"Not this s**t again" was exactly my thought. If you want to throw in an extra DVD then fine, but don't mess with the BDs. Even in the best case scenario those of us who don't care about DVD lose something, and in the worst case we'll end up paying more for compatibility and reliability issues.
I think this has something to do with Comcasts aquistion of Universal. Why not start to arritate Blu-ray fans so they can influence them to get media from other sources such as cable or soon digital downloading...
What marketing genius thought of this idea??? I won't be purchasing any of those releases. If you want to prolong the life of DVD and make it easier for consumers, why not just included a DVD copy with the release? Not that would create some fans!!
Well, they are now going from one of my favorite studios for Blu to the worst with this effort. I loved that they went right to the menu to watch a movie. No previews. No legal mumbo jumbo. Now, they have previews and now a this combo disc. When are the studios going to learn that less is more? I want my old Universal back!!!
F*** me. What stupid moron thought this was the way to push Blu Ray? I was cool with the bundled DVD disc on Disney titles and I suppose separate discs are a convenient stopgap for having to own two copies of one movie on mixed formats. I can't condone flipper discs. It's been proven already that the authoring equipment for DVD and blu ray are different enough where this lil bastard has to be a manufactured disc made from two halves. And what quality sacrifices are we making with this combo disc? How long till the glue layer between the two halves breaks down? Does the blu ray side have the protective scratch coating on it? Is the disc compatible with slot loading devices (PS3)?
I get the feeling that universals acting a little too much on their own on this to try and stake some sort of patent claim on their technology and we get to be the space monkeys who get to test it out for them.
I guess I'll have to buy that lousy box set of Bourne. I hate buying "complete" collections of franchises that I know will continue with more sequels. Hate it. Loathe it. But, it's better than "flipping" out over this bull-hucky.
Why are people sending e-mails. It is well known that emails are useless. In fact, it will be obvious to whoever receives these e-mails that it is part of an organized campaign.
If you want any results at all, use snail mail. This shows that you care enough to write a letter, address an envelope, and buy a stamp. A paper letter also doesn't just disappear with the press of the "delete" key.
DVD and Blu ray sales are not great. The studios give the optical discs 5 years tops. Marketing and research probably led them to test this in hopes of getting more people to jump into Blu ray. This is no different than the studios adding a DVD or Digital Copy to the Blu ray set. Economically they have to try everything. I think very soon stand alone DVD's will be gone and all studios will adapt this practice.
If the quality suffers and the price increases of course I wouldn't be for it, otherwise I like the option. I just have one HDTV with one blu ray player, and my other TVs (bedroom, cottage) just have regular DVD players. The convenience of being able to take just one disc and be able to play it anywhere appeals to me.
This was probably targeted to Netflix/Blockbuster Online companies. Now they only need to buy one SKU. Can send it out to both DVD and Blu-ray crowds. I seriously doubt this had the consumer in mind. Just a thought. I see people renting Universal Blu's, ripping them and putting them on their own single Blu-ray. I just can't believe they are doing this...again.
I hope that as a new member, we will all unite and stop Universal from creating this mess all over again. Why can't they learn from their mistakes. If HD DVD failed to survive, then they should make Blu ray a much better format instead of giving us this crap.
I think part of the rationalization on Universal's part is they want to include a DVD copy to possibly boost blu-ray sales, but obviously if you sell blu-ray and include a separate DVD, then that's a blu-ray for you and a DVD for somebody else. If you put them together on a single disc, it's just the one copy floating around. Just saying.
I think part of the reason HD-DVD died was the unpopularity of the combo discs (and paying a few bucks more for the privilege of owning one) ... though some folks thought they were the sh*t. They certainly were sh*t, I'll give them that much.
HDPlasma, I think you hit it! Universal has already said they will no longer produce some titles on DVD (that they are banding together with the BD version). This makes total sense that they are doing this to abandon DVD altogether and completely screw Redbox!
calm down people, it so far has only been announced for 1 title, DON'T BUY THAT TITLE, and it will go away. They did this with DVD and the same movies that came out on these types of discs STILL got normal releases too so calm down.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard, I gotta know who has a purpose for something like this? I don't want my beautiful Blus going anywhere near a standard DVD player! I would've rather they were switching all their packaging to digibook than this crap, and I hate digibooks. NO SALE!!
I am sure the flip disc will be cheaper than having extra plastic and an extra disc.
I did not mind the flippers in hd dvd, the only one I had problems with was superman returns but the rest did fine. I just hope the single editions of the bourne discs are cheaper than what they wanted for the box set.
I'm a bit conflicted now because the HD DVD combos were really screwed. That was a problem with 2 different aspects. First of all many players could not handle the thicker discs and so didn't recognize them. Also the glue combining the discs was uneven which caused problems and may have cause the thickness to go out of spec in the first place.
Also HD DVD was actually even MORE prone to scratch damage than DVD because the information was packed tighter together. Add to that the fact that it took awhile for them to be able to manufacture HD-30's in combo form which limited features on the HD side and combos were a royal pain.
If all of those issues have been resolved for BD (not holding my breath), then I would be ok with combos. Provided of course that they didn't cost any more than regular BDs.
If this is how the end of DVD starts I could get behind it if all of those issues are met.
First DVD 18, then HD DVD combos, when will they learn? I like the idea of a DVD included separately, but flipper discs involving multilayers on one or both sides have a long venerable history of suckage and defectiveness, add to that the lack of artwork, the increased ease of fingerprinting, smudging, and scratching one or both sides, and this idea just makes SOOOOOO much sense. Really it does. Hope this experiment fails miserably on the first few releases so it can go away quickly.
The only logical business perspective reason they are introducing this again is simply to charge a premium for them as they did with HD-DVD. Those expecting these to be released at the same price as normal blu-ray will be disappointed.
Great...now it looks like I will have to get the box set of the Bourne series. Plus if I remember correctly, didn't Uni charge more for the combo version versus the single disc HD-DVD. Not good at all...
I can not see why they would think this is a good idea. After years of buying cds, dvds, and now BDs I have never liked the dual-disc idea and have yet to meet someone that does. Why do they insist on still doing it when it has been proven to be a faulty type of disc?
I understand the point of including a SD copy of the film as most people do not have blu ray players in all rooms, their laptop or portable dvd player. But this definitely needs to be included as a seperate disc as Disney and MGM have done.
I too have sent an email to universal expressing my anger on this.
People who haven't adopted Blu-ray yet are not likely going to spend more money for a Blu-ray that has a DVD., they will likely buy the standard DVD release because it's cheaper. Most if not all studios quit making the "flippers" years ago for a reason.
Someone please start a petition to get them to stop with the flippers. They should start a dvd2blu program like Warners if the are worried about future proofing. I have seen the future and I don't want to look back at dvd unless I have to!
I hate this idea.
I have to disagree with you, advdfreak. I don't like how Disney only offers the Combo packs now, as with Monsters inc. You pay for 4 discs, although I couldn't care less about a stupid DVD and a digital copy!! I want to have a choice, as it was the case with Wall-E.
That's great! I could decide for myself if I need the DVD and digital copy or not. I don't even want to buy Monsters inc., because I can't stand the idea of having 2 discs that I am never going to use. I live in Austria, so most people couldn't even watch the DVD I'd give them, due to the code restrictions. I want different options!
And I definitely don't want this dumb flipper disc!
This would have made sense back in 2006 or 2007, but now Blu-ray is in a lot of homes. I'm not really interested in them being on the same disc...I'd rather them be on seperate discs.
I won't pass judgement on them until I see how well or how poorly it works, but it sounds like a bone-headed move to me. Now if the DVD and Blu-ray were somehow on the SAME SIDE that would be worth looking into for the mass market.
Just thought of this....lots of consumers are already confused about the differences between DVD's and Blu-rays. Right now they understand that Blu-rays don't work on DVD players. But now we have a special catagory of discs that do?! Also, what if someone doesn't know any better and they put the DVD side in on a Blu-ray player on accident...they won't be getting the best picture possible, and they may not even realize it, especially people who sit way to far away from their TV's to see the differences in Blu-ray and upconverted DVD's! This really has more negatives than positives.
They say they will release these flippers for "some of the studio's most iconic films" (whatever the hell that means). My question is will they initially just do this for the "iconic" films ALREADY released on Blu-ray only, such as the Bourne movies (even though you have to get the box set) in order to gauge interest? Hopefully this first Blu-ray flipper release shows poor sales and they get the idea to abandon the flippers.
In any case, I also e-mailed Universal and stated that I won't buy flippers and they'll have to also include a Blu-ray Only version of new release titles for me to purchase it.
When I made the move to HD almost three years ago I chose HD DVD primarily because the studios I liked best supported that format (Universal, Paramount, and Warner Bros.). Additionally, I've always had excellent experiences in the past with Toshiba products whether it was TVs or DVD players.
During my HD DVD days I bought several HD DVD/DVD Combo formatted (or flipper) discs. I've
never had a single problem with any of them - ever! I also thought it was a good idea to have
one side HD and the other STD. That way I could loan them out to family and friends who weren't interested (at the time) in HD. So frankly, just speaking for me, I guess I don't quite understand all the angst, bile, and venom over the idea of BD/STD Combo flippers.
I also do not like Flipper disc. The name only is embarrassing to say. I like the Disney approach with adding a copy of the DVD. I still get my blu ray disc with artwork on top and a DVD for the kids or to use on the road. Note to studio: Lets try to make the blu ray disc better and not revert to making DVD owners happy. You can do that simply by adding a DVD copy.
Honestly I do not understand what the big deal is. Everyone is getting histerical over something as minor as this? I think other studios will follow Universal in this so they could phase out Single Standard DVD's altogether. The costs for including the DVD version along with the BD is cheaper than re-pressing, packinging and distributing them by themselves. DVD's are not profitable as a single entity anymore. I really cannot believe some of the things I am reading. You all really need to chill out.
You are on a BLU-RAY Forum!
These things matter to us. If you don't care, then don't comment.
Bluyoda, you aren't paying more for the extra discs. The price points would be the same regardless. The early releases with differing versions at differing price points were Disney's experiment to see if people would pay extra for the extra discs. People didn't in enough numbers, so they started offering the extra discs at the same price point as the releases without them.
To those who don't understand the angst, if you had no problems with HD DVD flippers you are lucky. While I didn't do HD DVD, the reports of problems were very widespread, and the previous flipper model with DVD 18s have had massive fail rates. I don't know how many times I had to exchange TV sets using DVD 18s because of disc failure. The bonding process just isn't reliable enough and while they might have improved it, I do not want to risk the hassle of returns and such that I experienced with DVD 18s. Also, some of us care about artwork and don't want to deal with discs that you have to worry about smudges and scratches on both sides.
Do not want.
Maybe I'd approve if they were replacing DVD releases altogether with these flipper combos, but I don't see something like that happening for awhile. Besides, having to worry about 2 sides getting scratched/fingerprints, no disc artwork, and possible repeats of problems HD-DVD owners had with those flippers...
HORRIBLE IDEA. And from one of my favorite studios unfortunately. I trust that other studios will not follow suit and make them look like idiots when this blows up in their faces (ie: technological malfunctions). I shouldn't have to look to make sure the side I'm putting in is the "HD side" when I buy a BD. If you can't afford a BD player by now with the prices as low as they are, you should not be buying Blu-rays. Just stick to your lame DVD purchases and leave our BDs as they are -- HD only!
SIGH.........Horrible idea. What is the studios' hangup with dvd! The dvd versions are available as well, don't put them on the freakin disc. I just wish they would quit this type of sh*t and focus their time and energy on bettering the fromat and getting more AAA titles out.
aw man.. really Universal? not a smart move IMO. I agree if they are going to do this they should include a separate DVD disc (like Disney) not utilize the same disc to share the movie! and just when they decided to finally give the rights for a major breakthrough score release of Back to the Future! they back pedal on this. I say separate DVD or no DVD! just stick with blu!
NO WAY! I'm sorry but the DVD side would get scratched so much, It won't work. This is not the way to go! I would like the Universal to just in clued the Original DVD and the BD. This sucks, I will not pay to have a disc, that runs the risk of being scratched beyond recognition. I need artwork!
Sorry Universal! You're a great studio, but this is not the way to go...
I own about 5 HD DVD flippers and have no real issue with them except that they need to be handled more carefully; that being said, I have never once watched the DVD side of any of them. Seems pointless, we buy blu ray for the image quality why would be want to watch it on DVD. Disney including a separate dvd copy for the kids make sense, but I would not let my kid touch a flipper disc and it seems pointless for movies aimed at adults.
I also have issue with the digital copy disc, why would I want to watch a crappy AVI when I have the blu ray. I would rather pay less for just the blu ray only.
it would have been nice if they did a survey to find out if people even wanted combo's in the first place. who the hell is running that company? its time for people who run these forums to step up and let uni know what a stupid ,lame idea this is.
It's funny, you go to CNET and see the comments on this story and everyone there thinks it's a great idea and sing praises of HD-DVD and how blu-ray is finally catching up with features HD-DVD offered when it was released. Here eveyone actually has half a brain. This is the worst idea ever! WTF do I want with DVD on the other side of a disc? Seperate disc? OK. I will pass off a seperate DVD copy to someone else or take it on the road without a care if it gets ruined. But my blu-ray stays at home in it's case protected like a treasure. Universal... horrible F. I won't buy this garbage.
I always enjoyed both HD-DVD and BD and thought on HD-DVD these were a shocking idea. Baffling to see them doing it again.
Interesting to see the word "flipper" appears to have changed its meaning. Back in the early days of DVD it meant a disc that had to be turned over mid movie (because half of the movie was on one side and the other half was on the other side), now it seems like it means any double sided disc.
The title of this post is very misleading. I thought this was going to be an announcement about the future release of the 1996 box office hit "Flipper" starring Elijah Wood and the late Paul Hogan. Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait longer!
I was always turned off by the "flipper" in standard DVD's. I was very disappointed when I saw this in a few HD-DVD I bought. I will NOT buy any of them and will simply import from Japan/Canada if need be to avoid such discs. Horrendous marketing strategy and immediately tells me that they did NO research on what the mass consumers actually want.
As much as I agree with most of you on the entire structural integrity issue of hybrid discs, I don't get the violent reaction of some regarding SD DVD to begin with. I believe that packing in a seperate phyiscal DVD isn't a "bad" thing, per se. From what I've seen, it probably helped all of Disney's newer family-oriented BD releases ("UP", "Monsters, Inc.", etc) and the pricing didn't suffer (even w/o coupons). I know that BD is the "new hotness", but it seems that a few of you are trying to mentally justify your cash outlay in HD hardware and software by over-reacting to all things SD...
Why why why?!?!? Great idea for converting people to BD, but for those who already have it we don't want friggin flippers! I assume these combo discs are going to be more expensive than regular dvds, in which case people may as well just straight for the full BD version. It's also obvious that this move is aimed at PS3 owners, otherwise how can people test the water with BDs if they haven't yet invested in the hardware needed?
This sucks!! I hate those disc, their horrible. No picture on the disc, that little white info-circle. Well I let Universal know how I felt. I gave them my two-cents. Hopefully alot of you also do and lets see if majority can rule on this one. Afterall, we are the consumer. They want are money. So they should give us what we want to buy. Hopefully they listen, because I wont buy a 'flipper' disc.
Well I just ordered the Bourne Triology from the UK. For 32 bucks delivered I can't beat it. Looks like I'll be hitting Amazon UK more often. Hopefully the UK will adhere to the no double sided/flippers as they did with HD-DVD. Interesting enough I bought my HDDVD set for BT from the UK to avoid getting Ultimatum as DS/F...