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Universal Brings back Flipper Combos, now on Blu-ray

Posted December 1, 2009 09:08 AM by Juan Calonge

Universal StudiosIn an industry first, Universal Studios Home Entertainment announced today the introduction of "groundbreaking" dual-format discs containing both Blu-ray and DVD versions of some of the studio's most iconic films. The new "flipper" discs will launch on January 19, 2010 with the spy thrillers 'The Bourne Identity', 'The Bourne Supremacy' and 'The Bourne Ultimatum', premiering in the US as individually packaged Blu-ray discs (see blu-ray.com, November 29).

According to Universal, this makes it "ideal" for anyone planning to upgrade to Blu-ray at a future date as well as current owners of both Blu-ray and DVD systems. Each side of Universal's flipper discs includes the entire movie as well as all available bonus features.

"Universal's flipper discs are the perfect way for consumers to future-proof their collections while still enjoying their favorite movies on all their existing DVD players," said Craig Kornblau, President of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. "The flipper disc offers an easy way for viewers to convert to Blu-ray now or at any time in the future, confident in the fact they will be able to experience their home entertainment purchases in the highest quality picture and sound when they do."

The disc specifications for the 'Bourne' films list the discs as "BD-59", which indicates that they would be dual-layered on both the BD and DVD sides.

Flipper BD/DVD discs were tested in the early days of Blu-ray, but they were deemed impractical. It is unknown what development has made them possible now, and if any other company has worked in the development.

In 2006-2008, when Universal supported HD DVD exclusively, they were the major studio that most often went for combo editions, using it for most of its new releases and even some catalog titles.


Source: Blu-ray.com | Permalink | United States [Country settings]

News comments (213 comments)



Dave_6
  Dec 01, 2009
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Oh boy, combo discs...

jimmybobo
  Dec 01, 2009
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Focus on releasing the BEST audio and video transfers for the movie and you will have no trouble getting adopters. OTHERWISE if its a marginal upgrade in those 2 departments, why would anyone upgrade?
May as well put a pizza and some flowers on it as well but it won't help you with adopters!

BLu-Balls
  Dec 01, 2009
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I f---ing hate flipper discs!!

lobo81865
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate double-sided discs too.
Jayderek
  Dec 01, 2009
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I'm absolutely behind the THEORY of combo discs...it's just the fact that with HD-DVD most people had issues with these discs playing (myself included).

If these work AND the price is the same as standard BD's - I approve.
decayingdarkness
  Dec 01, 2009
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now thats the way to kill dvd eh? way to go blu ray!

bigshoulders
  Dec 01, 2009
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I love how ground-breaking was in quotes. I don't own any blu-sdvd flippers, but I do have several of the double sided DVDs. They suck.

eChopper
  Dec 01, 2009
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not this s**t again

rmainhammer
  Dec 01, 2009
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Until this very minute, Universal was my favorite Blu-ray studio (aside from Criterion). Not anymore!

Death to flipper discs!
decayingdarkness
  Dec 01, 2009
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this already happened on hd dvd how groundbreaking "sorry im cranky today lol

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Blu Titan
  Dec 01, 2009
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What a bunch of garbage. I'll pass one very single one of them!!!
woldymoldy
  Dec 01, 2009
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Why not just add a dvd along with the movie...like lets say disney?

Theres a way to help with adoption and not go with a stupid thing like flipper discs...i hate flipper discs.

Robert Siegel
  Dec 01, 2009
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In the hopes that they don't start this on new releases, for those who don't like this, may I suggest everyone send them a note. The web address is:

http://universalstudios.com/contact_us.php

After click "accept" go to "DVD AND BLU-RAY" then on the next page click USA, and fill in the form.
Hanzaki
  Dec 01, 2009
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Is it really cheaper to make a combo disk than put a standalone dvd disc into the case? I wonder...

With all the technical issues with the hd-dvd versions I'm not sure it's a good idea. At all.

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Unoriginal26
  Dec 01, 2009
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WTF??? Flippers are BANNED from my Home.

servocrow
  Dec 01, 2009
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ONCE AGAIN UNIVERSAL!! This studio is so lost , I am not sure if they will ever find their way...They have so many goog titles and the WORSE BR transfers and current catalog...now flipper disc....??? what is this, 1998????

GET WITH IT UNIVERSAL!!!!
sandman6662
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is a sure way to Piss off alot of Blu Ray fans, If I wanted DVD's I would of never changed to Blu ray . I don't want the DVD format any more ,, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW ????? Just make the Blu ray's with the best transfers's & awsome audio and reduce the price By not wasting money on the DVD crap and you'll get pepole to upgrade.... Make Blu ray movies $15.99 for all new release's and they will sell faster than any DVD ever.....I will not buy any Flipside Blu rays I never did like them and I'm not going to start now ,, Sorry You'r sales will go down now,,,

WorkShed
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is friggin' awful! I guess I'll have to wait for the Bourne box set to go down in price because I'll never buy a flipper disc.

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obriensg1
  Dec 01, 2009
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Flippers are a pain in the ass, even when they were on DVD. You can't have a big title on the front of them and so you are stuck looking at a little ring around the middle that says in small print 'This side up for Blu-ray.' It's confusing as hell. I like the idea of trying to include a DVD version, but why not just do what others are? Package the actual DVD along with it!
discking
  Dec 01, 2009
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Universal has a history of lame choices -- remember back in the 90s when they stripped the name brand. major artist pop music out a lot of their titles for DVD, replacing it with generic cheapo music so they wouldn't have to pay royalties? All those mutilated titles have, thankfully, since been re-issued with their original soundtracks.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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I guess I won't be purchasing much from Universal from now on...

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fettastic
  Dec 01, 2009
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I agree that putting a seperate DVD in the case seems like the way to go. The main reason for this is portability, mostly because of kids. We don't want to risk damaging our discs in this way.

And let's not forget Universal had no problem whatsoever charging us a hefty fee for these flippers we didn't ask for and in maybe 80% of cases didn't want! GROAN!

Damn you Universal! Even when you're on our side you're against us!

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Grubert
  Dec 01, 2009
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WorkShed, you can just buy the UK Bourne box now. It's region-free and currently very cheap:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=123848

sinister184
  Dec 01, 2009
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flipper means no disc art= cry

aheintz
  Dec 01, 2009
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not the flippers again they were more costly they generally added about 8.00 to the price of the movie that you buying

TheManInBlu
  Dec 01, 2009
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It's a sad day for Universal. Flippers mean scecnes that freeze up and glitches. We're almost in 2010; DVDs are supposed to be on their way out. Why oh why go through the hassle of making f***in' flipper discs??

Galley
  Dec 01, 2009
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Are they thicker than usual like those stupid DualDisc audio CDs that wouldn't play in certain players?
bseivxx
  Dec 01, 2009
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Alot of Universal releases have crappy VC-1 Transfers and now this S**T. F**K Universal. Double sided discs are horrible, I dont even need a dvd copy. Id rather Just have a standard blu ray disc.

SpaceDog
  Dec 01, 2009
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Boo! Combo discs. Boo!
If you are going to include DVD, just include another disc.
Combo discs bad.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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Everyone should send an email to Universal at:

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

We need to prevent this from happening!

greatdevastator
  Dec 01, 2009
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What makes a Blu-ray + DVD combo a bonus for a consumer is the ability and choice to keep the Blu-ray and give the DVD to a friend or family member. Flipper combos don't allow for that and I don't see myself purchasing any of these discs.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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People send an email or something...don't just post here.

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10
http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10
http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

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Cplhicks
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate to say it, but if some new movie comes out like this, I will likely pass. Sorry, Universal, but I don't want a friggin flipper.

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Dynamo of Eternia
  Dec 01, 2009
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I have to agree with the general consenus here, and say that I also hate "flipper" discs. They are a pain. One side is pretty much bound to get finger prints and maybe even scratches on it, etc.

I'm fine with a DVD version being included on a separate disc (like many Disney releases tend to do), but that's about as far as it goes.

Does Universal even know what they are doing anymore? It seems like it's one extreme or the other with them.

Not too long ago, there was news posted about how Universal was going to start releasing Blu-Ray and DVD bundles where you get the same movie in both formats, but instead if them coming in multi-disc Blu-Ray case, they are both in their respective, separate format cases, with a band going around them. This just came across as extremely wasteful, as having a whole separate case is just pointless and takes up more space.

But now they are going to the opposite extreme. Not only are they eliminating the extra case, but also the extra disc. What is so hard about having a happy medium? They should either include the movie on DVD on a separate disc in the SAME case, or just don't include a DVD version at all.

While I am likely to buy any movies that I REALLY want no matter what, if any movies that I am "on the fence" about come out this way, then I will likely pass on them.
TTC1984
  Dec 01, 2009
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Once again, this is just Universal trying to compensate for their laziness when it comes to put out their catalogue titles on Blu-Ray. If there is one major studio that needs to get it in gear, it's these guys - we're still waiting on plenty of titles that were only released in HD on HD-DVD!

Marine Mike
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is a very good idea as it will help DVD people adjust to Blu-ray as they won't feel like they have to choose.

Once they get a Blu-ray player to play the Blu-ray side, they'll never go back.

greatdevastator
  Dec 01, 2009
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Email sent. Please send an email to Universal. I usually don't send emails to complain about this or that, but felt it necessary to do so in this case. Even if nothing comes from it, at least they become aware of our concerns.
melbye
  Dec 01, 2009
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Considering the problems i had with DVD-18 disc this is not an option for me. I don't want DVD, don't force it on people by compromising the Blu-Ray

online365daysayear
  Dec 01, 2009
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Groundbreaking? Are they kidding!!! Just happy to have the Bourne movies on single sided discs. I will not be buying flipper disks of any kind.

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jtwise
  Dec 01, 2009
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I don't want this crap

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talbers23
  Dec 01, 2009
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Everyone that feels strongly about this, please use the links and email universal. It took only a few min. This would be terrible. I can just see all the customer complaints coming back again about the discs not working or "I just want the blu-ray, what do I need the freaking dvd too!"
pow
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate to say it but this could almost be interpreted as Universal getting itchy feet about the Blu-Ray format. Why put DVD discs in full-stop; whether it's a separate disc or on the flip-side of the Blu-Ray, most people buying Blu-Ray discs have those players and therefore want to watch the movies in hi-def.
Like a previous poster said, I wish all the studios would just wake up to the fact that no-one will switch from DVD to Blu-Ray en-mass unless Blu-Ray is at a comparative price point.
Chucking a DVD in the box still means that someone with only a DVD player will have to pay more than if they just bought the DVD.
This strategy by Universal will only work if they are intending to stop standard DVD releases altogether and drop the combo-disc prices to that of DVDs; meaning DVD buyers have no other option than to buy the combo discs.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10



Let's get this negativity out to those in charge! LOL
Celerony
  Dec 01, 2009
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Mwhoaahh, not the best idea ever, but it's not a disaster.
However, if you have a 2-disc release in a Amaray case with that kind of ''clapping'' holder for the second disc, it can cause some scratches...

Btw, what does it matter to dirt en scratch the DVD side, when you never play that at all?
LOL just kidding.

online365daysayear
  Dec 01, 2009
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Just sent them an email to reconsider as they will lose many customers.

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thedarkangel1975
  Dec 01, 2009
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Yes don't buy Universal Blus, because that will help the acceptance of the blu-ray format.

Mr. Cinema
  Dec 01, 2009
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I think this news will increase sales of the box set.

online365daysayear
  Dec 01, 2009
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+1 about the box set. Get them now before they replace them with flippers.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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Quote: Yes don't buy Universal Blus, because that will help the acceptance of the blu-ray format.

well, send them an email and tell them why they should expect a drop in sales on these releases.

bhampton
  Dec 01, 2009
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Lets bring all the stuff that helped kill off HD DVD to Blu Ray. Oh well, Maybe they will actually be made without problems this time. Blu Ray will never be "the" standard until it stops changing.

Doctorossi
  Dec 01, 2009
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Wow- strong feelings! Is this really such an issue? Ok, you don't get disc art, but how much time do you really spend staring at the disc surface? To my understanding, the trouble with the HD DVD combo discs was that all the layers were on the same side (ie. that they were NOT "flippers"). This is not the case here. This move allows for the 'upgrade path' marketing point without the perceived risk of copies being split up among potential customers (as in, buying a BD + DVD set and giving the DVD to your buddy who then has no need to buy his own). I really don't see a lot of downside. Why all the knee-jerk hate?

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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Issues involved:

1) Loss of disc art

2) Messy discs which do get scratched easily

3) Thicker discs - are often incompatible with many players

- moreso, if regular blu-rays are having problems playing...then just wait till combos get released

4) I have found with HD DVD combos that they tend to crack more easily with the Sony style cases...as well as Amarays

5) They look like shit...Universal loves to glue these bad boys together...and it looks like I bought a piece of shit

just my thoughts
Celerony
  Dec 01, 2009
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Indeed!
Ever saw the disc art of the USA release of Children of Men?
Ugly, but nevertheless a very good disc!

It's the opposite of the Dutch proverb ''Al draagt een aap een gouden ring, het is en blijft een lelijk ding''
Translated to English: ''Already bears a monkey a golden ring, it's still an ugly thing'':D

ahearst
  Dec 01, 2009
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Screw it; I'll purchase my Universal titles from Amazon UK.

Frozenpinky
  Dec 01, 2009
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Just sent Universal an email. Flipper-discs in general, no matter the format (a flipper CD, a Flipper DVD such as a DVD 10, or an HDDVD/DVD flipper) always come across as cheasy. The only thing flippers were good for was porno DVD's back in the 90's.

Doctorossi, the "combo discs with the layers on the same side" was/is a 'DVD 9'.

The flipper DVD's were called 'DVD 10'

The flipper HDDVD's are just like a 'DVD10', only one side is DVD and the other side is HDDVD.

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Ashamed Pegasus
  Dec 01, 2009
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I was a supporter of HD DVD from day 1 and would refuse to buy any combo discs... Really bad move on Universal's part to start this with BD... Call me anal but not having art on the disc just makes it look cheap... Pass on all of these that are combos...

seigneur_rayden
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is stupid. I hate flippers. Leave BD alone. We don't need DVD. Come on now.

Spencer 1812
  Dec 01, 2009
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No Dual-disc for me. I'll pass.

scottpcusa
  Dec 01, 2009
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I am definitely going to send an email. This could destroy releases like "Scarface", "Back to the Future", "Schindler's List", and "Rear Window". I just don't understand the point in having an SD copy along with the HD copy.

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Ashamed Pegasus
  Dec 01, 2009
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Email sent and I posted this link along with my disgust so they can see all the negative comments here...
orion10
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate flippers too. Hope the price of the titles don't go up because of the flipper disc.

bookcase
  Dec 01, 2009
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I will probably fall on deaf ears, but I sent an email to voice my unhappiness with this decision.

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chnandler_bong
  Dec 01, 2009
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Nothing personal against flipper disks (the Dolphin???), but I'd rather have art on one side of my disks and data on the other. I'd like to see more progress in the direction of hybrid disks, those would be better.

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devilnamedBuena
  Dec 01, 2009
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FLIPPER DISCS SUCK!!! They sucked on HD DVD and they'll suck harder on Blu-ray....

Although, if that's the only way I can get the theatrical cut of Miami Vice on Blu (being on the DVD side of course, why would I want Miami Vice in any form in HD) then, I might buy that one.

richteer
  Dec 01, 2009
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Flipper discs: just say no!

Arkadin
  Dec 01, 2009
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looks like Universal didn't learn a damn thing from HD DVD.
unbelievably stupid decision.
everyone and his brother knows this will only lead to more playback problems.
amazing.

Konrad
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hope the overwhelming negative reaction will force Universal to reconsider this idiotic idea. I remember that at the height of the war Warner announced their intention to glue a blu-ray disc and a HD-DVD together and sell this combo under the name Total-HD. They abandoned this plan, I guess because of the negative reactions from both camps, and finally decided to take a side. I hate flippers since the early days of DVD and I will not buy them!
David Craig
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate dual sided disks.

No artwork.
Lots of finger prints.

I will avoid buying these type of disks.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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please people send an email...voice your concern to Universal

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

MrJoeKalel
  Dec 01, 2009
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Exactly Konrand, they abandoned the 'hybrid' disc completely, which would make more sense, it would actually be 'revolutionary', and would be less prone to get damaged.

thespindoc
  Dec 01, 2009
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1.) Combos will cause many issues for the general public. My father-in-law isn't getting any younger, and I can see him getting one of these in his hands, unable to decifer which side is which, plays the Blu-Ray side in a normal DVD player, and calls me up to tell me his DVD Player is on the fritz because it won't play! It takes good eyes to see which side is which on these, and he doesn't have these.

2.) What happened to my DVD copy for the kids to handle? Oh yeah, that's right, execs over at Uni decided to glue it to my Blu-Ray version? In what? An attempt to reuse some of the marketing literature they had from the last time they attempted this?

I won't flip for this.

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Moefiz
  Dec 01, 2009
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Of all the movies they could have picked to roll out the combo disc...they had to pick Bourne..

Common Universal...

hidef al
  Dec 01, 2009
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Oh no....not again. A terrible move on Universal. Just hope other studios don't follow in their footsteps.

dgator783
  Dec 01, 2009
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guess i wont be buying unverisal in the future/...

gumpaholic
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate those flip discs! What's next, the snapper cases again?

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fettastic
  Dec 01, 2009
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Another problem with flippers is that people new to Blu-ray will put the disc in the wrong way and come away saying "I don't see a difference. It looks just like DVD."

I know that sounds stupid, but this happened a lot with HD DVD combos.

Konrad
  Dec 01, 2009
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Yes, that's right, that would be brilliant, a snapper case for the combo! Backasswards!

fdm
  Dec 01, 2009
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Looks like Universal will not be getting much more business from me. I bet these don't work in many of our machines.

broganreynik
  Dec 01, 2009
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The thing I hate most about the flipper disc is it will say "This side: Widescreen" (or Blu-ray in this case) and then you put it in with that side down, only to find out they meant "This side up", so then next time you assume it's that way, and they do the exact opposite.
Titanicfave
  Dec 01, 2009
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"I DO NOT" like this idea!!! I only want a blu-ray version on my blu-ray that I purchase! I would rather they make it a blu-ray/DVD combo with 2 separate discs one for the blu-ray version and a separate disc for the bonus DVD.

KilloWertz
  Dec 01, 2009
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While it won't keep me from buying a movie I really want, I agree with everyone else that this is a pretty dumb move by Universal. I am all for including the DVD version since I can still get use out of it in my house, but this is just dumb. Disney does it right by including the actual DVD separate in the case.

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wnicholas76
  Dec 01, 2009
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No, no, no, no, nooooooo!!!!!! Damn you, Universal!!

Bluyoda
  Dec 01, 2009
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I have a bad feeling about this!!!!!!!!

I just want the movie in HD on Blu-ray in the best possible quality, and the supplements in full HD as well.

Don't make this terrible mistake!!! Why are u so suicidal?

I have already sent a protest e-mail. Please do so too!

spf781
  Dec 01, 2009
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Wow, really Universal? Talk about one step forward and two steps back.
F13BluRay
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is not freakin good! I hope this strategy fails so other studios don't try it.

nickherum
  Dec 01, 2009
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Sent a complaint letter as well. I really don't get this decision at all. If memory serves, Universal started re-releasing a bunch of their early HDDVD combo discs as HDDVD only discs during the last year of the format. It seems like they were taking a step back from combo discs even then.

Old Bones
  Dec 01, 2009
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What a "Universal " flop this is , I'm not spending a penny on this crap.
They are the worst Studio Executives in all of filmdom , they can shove their flipper discs you know where !!!!!!!!!!!!!
HDPlasma
  Dec 01, 2009
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May be it's cheaper to do a flipper/combo disc than print the art work on the disc ?
May be this is an attempt to only produce a single release for blu-ray/DVD so you are forced to get both ?
May be this is an attempt to sell DVD at a higher price since it includes the blu-ray, in which will cost Redbox and those kiosk rental places more money for each disc ?

Pyoko
  Dec 01, 2009
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"Not this s**t again" was exactly my thought. If you want to throw in an extra DVD then fine, but don't mess with the BDs. Even in the best case scenario those of us who don't care about DVD lose something, and in the worst case we'll end up paying more for compatibility and reliability issues.

KenThompson
  Dec 01, 2009
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Worst idea yet. They can keep them. I will not buy any of those frisbees. Why did I bother to get rid of my dvd's just to have Universal ram them back down my throat.
DigVid
  Dec 01, 2009
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I think this has something to do with Comcasts aquistion of Universal. Why not start to arritate Blu-ray fans so they can influence them to get media from other sources such as cable or soon digital downloading...

HD Man
  Dec 01, 2009
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What marketing genius thought of this idea??? I won't be purchasing any of those releases. If you want to prolong the life of DVD and make it easier for consumers, why not just included a DVD copy with the release? Not that would create some fans!!

Doctorossi
  Dec 01, 2009
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So, people are seriously going to pass on movies they would otherwise buy because they'd have to pay a little more attention to make sure they insert the disc right-side-up? Of all the reasons to boycott...

Blu-Me
  Dec 01, 2009
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Well, they are now going from one of my favorite studios for Blu to the worst with this effort. I loved that they went right to the menu to watch a movie. No previews. No legal mumbo jumbo. Now, they have previews and now a this combo disc. When are the studios going to learn that less is more? I want my old Universal back!!!
DVDdesign
  Dec 01, 2009
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F*** me. What stupid moron thought this was the way to push Blu Ray? I was cool with the bundled DVD disc on Disney titles and I suppose separate discs are a convenient stopgap for having to own two copies of one movie on mixed formats. I can't condone flipper discs. It's been proven already that the authoring equipment for DVD and blu ray are different enough where this lil bastard has to be a manufactured disc made from two halves. And what quality sacrifices are we making with this combo disc? How long till the glue layer between the two halves breaks down? Does the blu ray side have the protective scratch coating on it? Is the disc compatible with slot loading devices (PS3)?

I get the feeling that universals acting a little too much on their own on this to try and stake some sort of patent claim on their technology and we get to be the space monkeys who get to test it out for them.

papaholmz
  Dec 01, 2009
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I absolutely hate flipper discs. I will never buy one. What next? Flipper discs in Eco-cases?

fdm
  Dec 01, 2009
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(Forgot to say ->) Bet these cost more too.

Also, to re-iterate: just give me the blu-rays. Don't want to pay extra for digital copy, don't want to pay extra for dvd copy, and now: don't want to pay extra for combo disc.

Sonny
  Dec 01, 2009
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Sad....

AutomaticDriver
  Dec 01, 2009
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When I read this I was Shocked. Doesnt Universal know that nobody liked the Flipper Combos from the HD-DVD era, what makes them think people will like it in the blu ray era?

seigneur_rayden
  Dec 01, 2009
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Blu-ray.com Officials, Studio insiders please contacts Universal and tell them how unhappy we are. Let get the whole blu-ray community to send a protest message to Universal.

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devilnamedBuena
  Dec 01, 2009
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I guess I'll have to buy that lousy box set of Bourne. I hate buying "complete" collections of franchises that I know will continue with more sequels. Hate it. Loathe it. But, it's better than "flipping" out over this bull-hucky.
007james
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate this Idea as well and I let them know at http://universalstudios.com/contact_us.php

wallendo
  Dec 01, 2009
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Why are people sending e-mails. It is well known that emails are useless. In fact, it will be obvious to whoever receives these e-mails that it is part of an organized campaign.

If you want any results at all, use snail mail. This shows that you care enough to write a letter, address an envelope, and buy a stamp. A paper letter also doesn't just disappear with the press of the "delete" key.

kaliraver
  Dec 01, 2009
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This discs suck!!! I will not be buying movies that are flippers. Universal just simply include a DVD disc and be done with it if you really want people to enjoy DVD's. Come on man!!!

Brad1963
  Dec 01, 2009
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DVD and Blu ray sales are not great. The studios give the optical discs 5 years tops. Marketing and research probably led them to test this in hopes of getting more people to jump into Blu ray. This is no different than the studios adding a DVD or Digital Copy to the Blu ray set. Economically they have to try everything. I think very soon stand alone DVD's will be gone and all studios will adapt this practice.

photograph17
  Dec 01, 2009
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If the quality suffers and the price increases of course I wouldn't be for it, otherwise I like the option. I just have one HDTV with one blu ray player, and my other TVs (bedroom, cottage) just have regular DVD players. The convenience of being able to take just one disc and be able to play it anywhere appeals to me.
b2009
  Dec 01, 2009
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WOW this is S*** why are they trying to save disk space.... Sorry I do not agree with you on this
"viewers to convert to Blu-ray now" you will lose viewers!

Bizdady
  Dec 01, 2009
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Will not buy any flippers. I already hate double sided dvds with one side for fullscreen and other for widescreen. I always pick the wrong side. No to Flippers!!

BRu-LAy
  Dec 01, 2009
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HAHA What a tool I am......

I thought they were talking about Flipper the Dolphin.

Cap Nord
  Dec 01, 2009
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So did I BRu Ray LOLOLOL I was wondering who in the hell would buy Flipper LOLOLOL

Blu-Me
  Dec 01, 2009
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This was probably targeted to Netflix/Blockbuster Online companies. Now they only need to buy one SKU. Can send it out to both DVD and Blu-ray crowds. I seriously doubt this had the consumer in mind. Just a thought. I see people renting Universal Blu's, ripping them and putting them on their own single Blu-ray. I just can't believe they are doing this...again.

No Ceiling
  Dec 01, 2009
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Blu-Ray+DVD/single disc = NO SALE.
Jokerman
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hope that as a new member, we will all unite and stop Universal from creating this mess all over again. Why can't they learn from their mistakes. If HD DVD failed to survive, then they should make Blu ray a much better format instead of giving us this crap.

lgans316
  Dec 01, 2009
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Goodbye to flippers and HD DVD. What's wrong with Universal?
Jokerman
  Dec 01, 2009
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All i know is that Universal is my least favorite studio as of today. Why can't they listen to the customers! They must pay attention to the needs of the customers!

Brad1963
  Dec 01, 2009
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Keep in mind, Warner supported Combos on HD DVD. They could go this route also.

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jcflman
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is bad news. Just hope this is Universal only so I know whose movies not to buy.
MvRojo
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is so annoying. Now for those who don't want flippers, we have to check before buying anything from Universal just to make sure.
Jokerman
  Dec 01, 2009
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Hopefully Warner will not join Universal's dark side! It would be horrible to obtain Batman 3 as a dumb bluray/ dvd combo disc.

bunkaroo
  Dec 01, 2009
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I'll put this as delicately as I can - ARE YOU ****ING STUPID UNIVERSAL????

fdm
  Dec 01, 2009
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I think part of the rationalization on Universal's part is they want to include a DVD copy to possibly boost blu-ray sales, but obviously if you sell blu-ray and include a separate DVD, then that's a blu-ray for you and a DVD for somebody else. If you put them together on a single disc, it's just the one copy floating around. Just saying.

I think part of the reason HD-DVD died was the unpopularity of the combo discs (and paying a few bucks more for the privilege of owning one) ... though some folks thought they were the sh*t. They certainly were sh*t, I'll give them that much.

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pro-bassoonist
  Dec 01, 2009
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Simply put - a terrible idea!

Pro-B

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dobyblue
  Dec 01, 2009
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Hybrid disc would be much better, I hate flipper discs.

You should have DVD9 and BD50 all on the same side, then you're laughing!

JVC did a DVD9/BD25 hybrid disc in 2005 and played it on a normal DVD player with no issues.

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fettastic
  Dec 01, 2009
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HDPlasma, I think you hit it! Universal has already said they will no longer produce some titles on DVD (that they are banding together with the BD version). This makes total sense that they are doing this to abandon DVD altogether and completely screw Redbox!

phatrat1982
  Dec 01, 2009
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calm down people, it so far has only been announced for 1 title, DON'T BUY THAT TITLE, and it will go away. They did this with DVD and the same movies that came out on these types of discs STILL got normal releases too so calm down.

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Lucy Diamond
  Dec 01, 2009
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I'm soooooooo glad I'm not the only one.

I wasn't going to post and then I started reading comments.

This annoys me for the lamest reason of all.

No Disc art!!!! HUGE pet peeve!!!

bigshoulders
  Dec 01, 2009
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Email sent.
Hurricane Blake
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is the dumbest thing I've heard, I gotta know who has a purpose for something like this? I don't want my beautiful Blus going anywhere near a standard DVD player! I would've rather they were switching all their packaging to digibook than this crap, and I hate digibooks. NO SALE!!
jdmac29
  Dec 01, 2009
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I am sure the flip disc will be cheaper than having extra plastic and an extra disc.
I did not mind the flippers in hd dvd, the only one I had problems with was superman returns but the rest did fine. I just hope the single editions of the bourne discs are cheaper than what they wanted for the box set.

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fettastic
  Dec 01, 2009
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I'm a bit conflicted now because the HD DVD combos were really screwed. That was a problem with 2 different aspects. First of all many players could not handle the thicker discs and so didn't recognize them. Also the glue combining the discs was uneven which caused problems and may have cause the thickness to go out of spec in the first place.

Also HD DVD was actually even MORE prone to scratch damage than DVD because the information was packed tighter together. Add to that the fact that it took awhile for them to be able to manufacture HD-30's in combo form which limited features on the HD side and combos were a royal pain.

If all of those issues have been resolved for BD (not holding my breath), then I would be ok with combos. Provided of course that they didn't cost any more than regular BDs.

If this is how the end of DVD starts I could get behind it if all of those issues are met.
blindcat87
  Dec 01, 2009
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First DVD 18, then HD DVD combos, when will they learn? I like the idea of a DVD included separately, but flipper discs involving multilayers on one or both sides have a long venerable history of suckage and defectiveness, add to that the lack of artwork, the increased ease of fingerprinting, smudging, and scratching one or both sides, and this idea just makes SOOOOOO much sense. Really it does. Hope this experiment fails miserably on the first few releases so it can go away quickly.

jk1138
  Dec 01, 2009
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I will pass on any title that has this!

vanscottie
  Dec 01, 2009
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There's GOTTA be one person sitting in the Unversal offices reading all this who has some say in the matter. This idea is awful! Kill it now!

GGX
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is fucking bullshit.
Akubrick1
  Dec 01, 2009
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The only logical business perspective reason they are introducing this again is simply to charge a premium for them as they did with HD-DVD. Those expecting these to be released at the same price as normal blu-ray will be disappointed.

Zaphod
  Dec 01, 2009
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Great...now it looks like I will have to get the box set of the Bourne series. Plus if I remember correctly, didn't Uni charge more for the combo version versus the single disc HD-DVD. Not good at all...

yellowgoat
  Dec 01, 2009
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I sent them a message and hope everyone here does as well. I hated flippers with DVD, I hated them with HDDVD and I hate them with Blu Ray. Just say no to flipper disks!

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Irrob
  Dec 01, 2009
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

thdeanmachine
  Dec 01, 2009
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I can not see why they would think this is a good idea. After years of buying cds, dvds, and now BDs I have never liked the dual-disc idea and have yet to meet someone that does. Why do they insist on still doing it when it has been proven to be a faulty type of disc?

I understand the point of including a SD copy of the film as most people do not have blu ray players in all rooms, their laptop or portable dvd player. But this definitely needs to be included as a seperate disc as Disney and MGM have done.

I too have sent an email to universal expressing my anger on this.

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davidthenikonuser
  Dec 01, 2009
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NO!!!!! Here we go again!!!!!

The HD-DVD/DVD combos where the worst idea ever IMO. I had nothing but problems with these and stopped buying them. The Blu-ray with a separate DVD is a much better idea.

peanutlover
  Dec 01, 2009
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People who haven't adopted Blu-ray yet are not likely going to spend more money for a Blu-ray that has a DVD., they will likely buy the standard DVD release because it's cheaper. Most if not all studios quit making the "flippers" years ago for a reason.

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Xerios
  Dec 01, 2009
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/wrist kill yourself uni
penguin
  Dec 01, 2009
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What a waste. I HATE Flippers. Who on earth would want such a beast. Universal are in cloud cukoo land!

tvine2000
  Dec 01, 2009
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once again univeral does the dumb thing. combos were losers with hd dvd and will be a loser again. i hope other studios don't do this and stay as far as they can from combos.

prankster
  Dec 01, 2009
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ugh what are they thinking?!? disney totally has this right with their bd/dvd/digital combos on separate discs!

advdfreak
  Dec 01, 2009
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Someone please start a petition to get them to stop with the flippers. They should start a dvd2blu program like Warners if the are worried about future proofing. I have seen the future and I don't want to look back at dvd unless I have to!

Bluyoda
  Dec 01, 2009
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I hate this idea.
I have to disagree with you, advdfreak. I don't like how Disney only offers the Combo packs now, as with Monsters inc. You pay for 4 discs, although I couldn't care less about a stupid DVD and a digital copy!! I want to have a choice, as it was the case with Wall-E.
That's great! I could decide for myself if I need the DVD and digital copy or not. I don't even want to buy Monsters inc., because I can't stand the idea of having 2 discs that I am never going to use. I live in Austria, so most people couldn't even watch the DVD I'd give them, due to the code restrictions. I want different options!
And I definitely don't want this dumb flipper disc!

tvine2000
  Dec 01, 2009
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be damed with dvd anyways, combos,what a stupid re-idea.

ssj5cris
  Dec 01, 2009
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The only thing I have to say to Universal is, in the words of Darth Vader.."NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

MRMOTA
  Dec 01, 2009
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Man I used to buy imports to avoid Universal flippers with HD-DVD. I'll be either selective or import what I can. Double-Sided discs suck.. I will not deal with washing discs so I can play them...

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that1guystudios
  Dec 01, 2009
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This would have made sense back in 2006 or 2007, but now Blu-ray is in a lot of homes. I'm not really interested in them being on the same disc...I'd rather them be on seperate discs.
I won't pass judgement on them until I see how well or how poorly it works, but it sounds like a bone-headed move to me. Now if the DVD and Blu-ray were somehow on the SAME SIDE that would be worth looking into for the mass market.

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that1guystudios
  Dec 01, 2009
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Just thought of this....lots of consumers are already confused about the differences between DVD's and Blu-rays. Right now they understand that Blu-rays don't work on DVD players. But now we have a special catagory of discs that do?! Also, what if someone doesn't know any better and they put the DVD side in on a Blu-ray player on accident...they won't be getting the best picture possible, and they may not even realize it, especially people who sit way to far away from their TV's to see the differences in Blu-ray and upconverted DVD's! This really has more negatives than positives.

fredbalsodn
  Dec 01, 2009
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Oh boy, combo discs...

MetalMike666
  Dec 01, 2009
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They say they will release these flippers for "some of the studio's most iconic films" (whatever the hell that means). My question is will they initially just do this for the "iconic" films ALREADY released on Blu-ray only, such as the Bourne movies (even though you have to get the box set) in order to gauge interest? Hopefully this first Blu-ray flipper release shows poor sales and they get the idea to abandon the flippers.

In any case, I also e-mailed Universal and stated that I won't buy flippers and they'll have to also include a Blu-ray Only version of new release titles for me to purchase it.

johnno1986
  Dec 01, 2009
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Just package a bloody stand alone DVD with the Blu-ray like Disney does.

Lordy
  Dec 01, 2009
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When I made the move to HD almost three years ago I chose HD DVD primarily because the studios I liked best supported that format (Universal, Paramount, and Warner Bros.). Additionally, I've always had excellent experiences in the past with Toshiba products whether it was TVs or DVD players.

During my HD DVD days I bought several HD DVD/DVD Combo formatted (or flipper) discs. I've
never had a single problem with any of them - ever! I also thought it was a good idea to have
one side HD and the other STD. That way I could loan them out to family and friends who weren't interested (at the time) in HD. So frankly, just speaking for me, I guess I don't quite understand all the angst, bile, and venom over the idea of BD/STD Combo flippers.

willard0118
  Dec 01, 2009
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I also do not like Flipper disc. The name only is embarrassing to say. I like the Disney approach with adding a copy of the DVD. I still get my blu ray disc with artwork on top and a DVD for the kids or to use on the road. Note to studio: Lets try to make the blu ray disc better and not revert to making DVD owners happy. You can do that simply by adding a DVD copy.
Flippers suck!

Brad1963
  Dec 01, 2009
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Honestly I do not understand what the big deal is. Everyone is getting histerical over something as minor as this? I think other studios will follow Universal in this so they could phase out Single Standard DVD's altogether. The costs for including the DVD version along with the BD is cheaper than re-pressing, packinging and distributing them by themselves. DVD's are not profitable as a single entity anymore. I really cannot believe some of the things I am reading. You all really need to chill out.

underoath
  Dec 01, 2009
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Quote:

Brad1963
Honestly I do not understand what the big deal is. Everyone is getting histerical over something as minor as this? I think other studios will follow Universal in this so they could phase out Single Standard DVD's altogether. The costs for including the DVD version along with the BD is cheaper than re-pressing, packinging and distributing them by themselves. DVD's are not profitable as a single entity anymore. I really cannot believe some of the things I am reading. You all really need to chill out.

You are on a BLU-RAY Forum!

These things matter to us. If you don't care, then don't comment.
DCG007
  Dec 01, 2009
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Not interested

Blu-Jawa
  Dec 01, 2009
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Aww that means no more disc art work??! not that most studio's are putting cool art on there disc's. :/
blindcat87
  Dec 01, 2009
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Bluyoda, you aren't paying more for the extra discs. The price points would be the same regardless. The early releases with differing versions at differing price points were Disney's experiment to see if people would pay extra for the extra discs. People didn't in enough numbers, so they started offering the extra discs at the same price point as the releases without them.

To those who don't understand the angst, if you had no problems with HD DVD flippers you are lucky. While I didn't do HD DVD, the reports of problems were very widespread, and the previous flipper model with DVD 18s have had massive fail rates. I don't know how many times I had to exchange TV sets using DVD 18s because of disc failure. The bonding process just isn't reliable enough and while they might have improved it, I do not want to risk the hassle of returns and such that I experienced with DVD 18s. Also, some of us care about artwork and don't want to deal with discs that you have to worry about smudges and scratches on both sides.

VicVega
  Dec 01, 2009
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With flipper disc you WILL scratch one of the two side, it's inevitable.

KamiAmaya
  Dec 01, 2009
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Do not want.
Maybe I'd approve if they were replacing DVD releases altogether with these flipper combos, but I don't see something like that happening for awhile. Besides, having to worry about 2 sides getting scratched/fingerprints, no disc artwork, and possible repeats of problems HD-DVD owners had with those flippers...

rmainhammer
  Dec 01, 2009
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I sent my email to Universal. Send yours now!

dmarvin
  Dec 01, 2009
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HORRIBLE IDEA. And from one of my favorite studios unfortunately. I trust that other studios will not follow suit and make them look like idiots when this blows up in their faces (ie: technological malfunctions). I shouldn't have to look to make sure the side I'm putting in is the "HD side" when I buy a BD. If you can't afford a BD player by now with the prices as low as they are, you should not be buying Blu-rays. Just stick to your lame DVD purchases and leave our BDs as they are -- HD only!

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STARSCREAM
  Dec 01, 2009
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SIGH.........Horrible idea. What is the studios' hangup with dvd! The dvd versions are available as well, don't put them on the freakin disc. I just wish they would quit this type of sh*t and focus their time and energy on bettering the fromat and getting more AAA titles out.
tranzishun
  Dec 01, 2009
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aw man.. really Universal? not a smart move IMO. I agree if they are going to do this they should include a separate DVD disc (like Disney) not utilize the same disc to share the movie! and just when they decided to finally give the rights for a major breakthrough score release of Back to the Future! they back pedal on this. I say separate DVD or no DVD! just stick with blu!

RIKANA
  Dec 01, 2009
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NO WAY! I'm sorry but the DVD side would get scratched so much, It won't work. This is not the way to go! I would like the Universal to just in clued the Original DVD and the BD. This sucks, I will not pay to have a disc, that runs the risk of being scratched beyond recognition. I need artwork!

Sorry Universal! You're a great studio, but this is not the way to go...

RI
bseivxx
  Dec 01, 2009
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I sent my message.

Death to Flipper Discs!!!!!

andyman1970
  Dec 01, 2009
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Sooooo, why not just include a seperate DVD with the Blu-ray like Disney and Fox do?

Dr. Manhattan
  Dec 01, 2009
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This is the most stupid thing they could do. I ain't buying no flipper discs.
eco10530
  Dec 01, 2009
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Great...no F***ing disc art! This sux.

Nathan Arizona
  Dec 01, 2009
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I own about 5 HD DVD flippers and have no real issue with them except that they need to be handled more carefully; that being said, I have never once watched the DVD side of any of them. Seems pointless, we buy blu ray for the image quality why would be want to watch it on DVD. Disney including a separate dvd copy for the kids make sense, but I would not let my kid touch a flipper disc and it seems pointless for movies aimed at adults.
I also have issue with the digital copy disc, why would I want to watch a crappy AVI when I have the blu ray. I would rather pay less for just the blu ray only.

tvine2000
  Dec 01, 2009
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it would have been nice if they did a survey to find out if people even wanted combo's in the first place. who the hell is running that company? its time for people who run these forums to step up and let uni know what a stupid ,lame idea this is.
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Semp1
  Dec 01, 2009
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Oh god flipper discs stink. They always froze on my HDDVD player. This sucks. I hated them so much.

Minimejer05
  Dec 01, 2009
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TERRIBLE news...hopefully they dont start with new releases... I thought they were releasing two disc packages with a DVD and blu copy? What happened to that idea? Wasnt that announced last week.

BoneWSO
  Dec 01, 2009
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It's funny, you go to CNET and see the comments on this story and everyone there thinks it's a great idea and sing praises of HD-DVD and how blu-ray is finally catching up with features HD-DVD offered when it was released. Here eveyone actually has half a brain. This is the worst idea ever! WTF do I want with DVD on the other side of a disc? Seperate disc? OK. I will pass off a seperate DVD copy to someone else or take it on the road without a care if it gets ruined. But my blu-ray stays at home in it's case protected like a treasure. Universal... horrible F. I won't buy this garbage.

jimmybobo
  Dec 02, 2009
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The expensive answer to a question no one was asking
ToolDown
  Dec 02, 2009
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Never owned one but I member looking at them......so stupid to bring that worthless effort back.....everybody hated it back then and everyone (especially us blu bloods) will hate it again...
Villan
  Dec 02, 2009
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I always enjoyed both HD-DVD and BD and thought on HD-DVD these were a shocking idea. Baffling to see them doing it again.

Interesting to see the word "flipper" appears to have changed its meaning. Back in the early days of DVD it meant a disc that had to be turned over mid movie (because half of the movie was on one side and the other half was on the other side), now it seems like it means any double sided disc.
scorsetinogilliam
  Dec 02, 2009
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boo!! waste of money!!!
dahaunted
  Dec 02, 2009
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I don't like the movie FLIPPPER.
Is that coming with all releases now?

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Derb
  Dec 02, 2009
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Good news for my wallet

CacaPooPoo
  Dec 02, 2009
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The title of this post is very misleading. I thought this was going to be an announcement about the future release of the 1996 box office hit "Flipper" starring Elijah Wood and the late Paul Hogan. Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait longer!

nazdar
  Dec 02, 2009
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Marketing Gone Wild!
Flipper Break!

RevolveR72
  Dec 02, 2009
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I was always turned off by the "flipper" in standard DVD's. I was very disappointed when I saw this in a few HD-DVD I bought. I will NOT buy any of them and will simply import from Japan/Canada if need be to avoid such discs. Horrendous marketing strategy and immediately tells me that they did NO research on what the mass consumers actually want.

Shame on you Universal....

nazdar
  Dec 02, 2009
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Universal Brings Back 8-Track Blu-ray
Free Corn Dogs Included!

jimmybobo
  Dec 02, 2009
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Why is everyone hating dolphins?

svenge
  Dec 02, 2009
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As much as I agree with most of you on the entire structural integrity issue of hybrid discs, I don't get the violent reaction of some regarding SD DVD to begin with. I believe that packing in a seperate phyiscal DVD isn't a "bad" thing, per se. From what I've seen, it probably helped all of Disney's newer family-oriented BD releases ("UP", "Monsters, Inc.", etc) and the pricing didn't suffer (even w/o coupons). I know that BD is the "new hotness", but it seems that a few of you are trying to mentally justify your cash outlay in HD hardware and software by over-reacting to all things SD...

phatrat1982
  Dec 02, 2009
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>>the late Paul Hogan<<

um he didn't die.

rmainhammer
  Dec 02, 2009
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Send your email complaints to:

http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10

hc666
  Dec 02, 2009
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Hmmm yeah not a fan. Doesn't really get rid of DVD but may make ppl curious to see the bluray version I suppose.

ShellOilJunior
  Dec 02, 2009
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If Universal does this with the Hitchcock films I will personally make a trip to California and punch an executive in the nose.

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Wdm81
  Dec 02, 2009
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OH This is great news, hopefully Universal's next step is VHS/Bluray flippers, or how about Universal music starts putting out albums in the form of vynal/CD combos

Gawd, this is such a great idea, best decision EVER!

nightcrawler
  Dec 02, 2009
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Why why why?!?!? Great idea for converting people to BD, but for those who already have it we don't want friggin flippers! I assume these combo discs are going to be more expensive than regular dvds, in which case people may as well just straight for the full BD version. It's also obvious that this move is aimed at PS3 owners, otherwise how can people test the water with BDs if they haven't yet invested in the hardware needed?
Swede
  Dec 02, 2009
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I hated flipper discs on DVD, in fact who didn't?? It really is crazy that Universal now thinks it's a great idea to start doing it on blu-ray too.

I don't care about DVD versions on my blu-ray's, but if you have to do it, AT LEAST put it on a separate disc!!

Like others have said, don't just comment here! Make sure to let Universal know what you think by dropping a quick comment at http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=10. If nothing else, just copy/paste your comment here on there as well!
PhantomBill
  Dec 02, 2009
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NO!!! Add me to the Bourne Ban Bandwagon

Turnda643
  Dec 02, 2009
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This sucks!! I hate those disc, their horrible. No picture on the disc, that little white info-circle. Well I let Universal know how I felt. I gave them my two-cents. Hopefully alot of you also do and lets see if majority can rule on this one. Afterall, we are the consumer. They want are money. So they should give us what we want to buy. Hopefully they listen, because I wont buy a 'flipper' disc.

MRMOTA
  Dec 02, 2009
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Well I just ordered the Bourne Triology from the UK. For 32 bucks delivered I can't beat it. Looks like I'll be hitting Amazon UK more often. Hopefully the UK will adhere to the no double sided/flippers as they did with HD-DVD. Interesting enough I bought my HDDVD set for BT from the UK to avoid getting Ultimatum as DS/F...



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