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Warner Exec Confirms Hobbit Delay – No Extended LOTR Blu-ray till 2012?

Posted January 27, 2010 06:44 AM by Juan Calonge

New Line CinemaWarner Bros. COO Alan Horn (who also oversees New Line Cinema, which became a part of WB in early 2008) has said that the most probable date for the theatrical release of 'The Hobbit' would be in the fourth quarter of 2012, thus confirming earlier reports (see blu-ray.com, December 1, 2009). In that case, the theatrical version of the 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy (due out on April 6) could be the only one available on Blu-ray for a long time.

For 'The Hobbit', New Line shares financing rights with MGM/UA, which bought the original rights in 1969; the complication this time around is that MGM could soon sell those rights as part of its restructuring.


Source: Variety | Permalink | United States [Country settings]

News comments (158 comments)


gymclothes412
  Jan 27, 2010
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I might have to double dip on these now that it's gonna be a couple years before the EE's come out.

easyrider
  Jan 27, 2010
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I am not waiting that long to have LOTR on blu - theatrical versions in April for me!

jk1138
  Jan 27, 2010
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This sucks!

marvinski
  Jan 27, 2010
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I would be surprised if the Extended Edition would come out less than 18 months after the Theatrical Edition! Those Movie Majors know how to squeeze the Money out of the Fans & are surely not passing up on this!

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davidthenikonuser
  Jan 27, 2010
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I can wait for the EE on blu. I'll enjoy my DVDs till then.

vettesweetnos
  Jan 27, 2010
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We will see!
MoviePhanatic00
  Jan 27, 2010
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Has WB started taking home video release advice from one Mr. Lucas? So, how about a new poll, what will come first the EE LOTRs or SW on Blu? I got it, the LOTR EE release is going to coincide with the end of the world!!

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thedarkangel1975
  Jan 27, 2010
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These studios sure know how to squeeze money

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I am blu
  Jan 27, 2010
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I never thought I could wait for EE since the 1st annoucement and I will still never wait,
I can easily wait as long as I can get it on blu in april

digitalbabe
  Jan 27, 2010
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Ploy to get Theatrical Eds purchased...

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DrrnHarr
  Jan 27, 2010
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I can take or leave the LOTR trilogy so I'll wait for the Extended Editions.

scottpcusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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I only owned the Theatrical Editions on DVD, and I sold them when news of the BD release surfaced. But I am going to wait until the LOTR EE BD is released the purchase it. That way watching them again will be even that much better. Looking forward to it...whenever that will be. Woot!

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rkolinski
  Jan 27, 2010
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I will wait for the EE; no double-dip for me!

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DonRSD
  Jan 27, 2010
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im not waiting until 2012 to see LOTR on bluray.
guess ill buy the reg version and watch them until 2012

by the time i/we double dip, you wont even 'feel' the burn of paying for the reg versions 2 years earlier

Kaminari
  Jan 27, 2010
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I like you Warner, but I'm no frakking double-dipper.

I can wait for the bloody EE. Heck, I waited Blade Runner's final cut for *decades*.
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ghebert
  Jan 27, 2010
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To those who say "I can't wait for EE, I'm getting the the theatrical editions" you are playing right into their little game. They could easily release the EE's but are releasing the theatrical versions as well as anouncing this "delay" to get people to buy the theatrical versions. I for one will not fall for that. I've waited this long...what's another 3 years.

rmainhammer
  Jan 27, 2010
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2012 huh...that's only two years I guess. I don't need to own LOTR that bad.
amason
  Jan 27, 2010
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Was holding off for EE but for $65 for three blus of more than ok movies, its not going to hurt to double dip.

Cap Nord
  Jan 27, 2010
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I'll wait; haven't watched the theatrical versions since the extended came out and I'd miss what is left out of the shorter versions.

Besides, the regular DVDs are not all that bad, so seeing LOTR's on Blu Ray for the first time when the extended versions are released will be well worth the wait. No need to see them on Blu Ray until then. Screw you Warners!

As for what Moviephanetic said about George Lucas and Star Wars, I must have missed something in the article because I don’t know what that has to do with LOTR's. He must have felt a need to take a cheap shot at Lucas I guess.

Mobjack
  Jan 27, 2010
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No double dip from me. I am sick of the studios doing this to us.

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djflex40
  Jan 27, 2010
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Im so sick of this kind of shit just release the EE, VERSIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE,,WHY, WHY, MAKE US WAIT,, I WILL NOT BUY THE THEATRICAL VERSIONS,,, JUST WAIT.....

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Lucy Diamond
  Jan 27, 2010
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"I can wait for the EE on blu. I'll enjoy my DVDs till then."

Yeah...really man. It's not even like the DvDs look bad.

I'm doing the same thing. Plus...I don't know about you, but I have the ones that look like the books and I like the presentation of that way better.

Yep...still waiting.
NYorker
  Jan 27, 2010
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LOTR customers counter-confirmation: not double-dipping...

If this is true, there really is NO excuse not to release the EE's no later than six month or so after the TE's.
This is what happens when WB takes over a successful franchise/studio...NL did perfectly fine without them...

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Irrob
  Jan 27, 2010
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TE vs EE. The same old song. Aren't you guys tired of hearing it yet?

JediFonger
  Jan 27, 2010
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will wait for the eventual LOTR:EE2 (according to bonus content of ROTK:EE, Peter Jackson said they are preparing an even LONGER edit for hi-def media) and in 3-D no less .

er... 2015? 2020?

The Hobbit:EE (both movies) in 3-D and LOTR:EE2 in 3-D by 2020
Raptor7
  Jan 27, 2010
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I agree with most of the majority here in saying, I will wait for the Extended Editions and will NOT purchase the Theatrical versions, Never saw those versions, and rest assured I will never see them even on Blu.

I can honestly say, patience is a virtue, and I do not double dip, didnt do it for Stargate or Terminator 2 and wont do it for the trilogy. of course my friend is the impatient one, I 'll let him cut his wrists and buy them when both editions come out, he does have the hairy feet down too, hmm.

it would be Warner's mistake to wait and release them until 2012, (which is just a hunch based on the writers speculation of how events are going to unfold) , 6 months maybe, max.

but longer than that, whats the point? ya Greedy Bastards.

all for a movie that may get pushed back when Warner and Jackson agree to disagree yet again, heck of a chance they are taking.

Proof is in the pudding, besides the Book versions of the Extended Editions on DVD look kinda spiffy on my TV Stand next to my Battlestar Galactica Complete Series Bluray set and my Invader Zim Collection with the House packaging w/Gir Figure. "SQUEE"
SavioDHD
  Jan 27, 2010
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It's great to have LOTR on Blu soon, as big as a fan I am , I have the EE on DVD and will definitely suggest waiting for the EE on Blu, Theatrical Edition is best if you are the first stepper into Blu and are around the corner shopping for LOTR at the time it releases

HD Man
  Jan 27, 2010
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No double-dip for me. Sounds like a studio ploy to get you to buy the theatrical versions but I'm not falling for it. Will just enjoy my upconverted DVD EE until 2012.

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Jamison
  Jan 27, 2010
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Since we don't know when the extended editions are coming out this is all speculation. We all know the EEs are be better (especially with new BD-only features) than the theatrical editions so we will all wait for the EEs. Whenever WB gets around to it. I do hope WB realizes the degree of disdain they have earned from the movie-lover community.
BluRayFreak
  Jan 27, 2010
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Really--who are we kidding?

These movies will sell very well when they initially come out.

The only ones interested in the EE versions are people like us that appreciate films. The typical Walmart shopper isn't going to care to buy the EE versions, and they sure in the hell aren't going to pay the extra money that they're going to cost.

I'm not buying this set in April, just out of principle. There really is NO reason that they can't release the EE versions right the hell now.

Screw 'em...and George Lucas for making "Star Wars" fans wait (yet again!) for their favorite movie(s) to make it onto a popular format.

Dr. Manhattan
  Jan 27, 2010
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I won't buy that until PJ and del Toro say so. I'm still expecting the first Hobbit film next Christmas 2011. He said it's a "probable" date but he's not working on the film. He has no idea.
jdmac29
  Jan 27, 2010
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I will wait, netflix will have the theatrical versions available and the TNT broadcast to me has never looked that bad.

Rainman208
  Jan 27, 2010
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Here we go again. I suppose if I was just in love with the EE's I'd be upset too but the TE's are just fine with me so as long as they don't delay those again I'm ok.

dmarvin
  Jan 27, 2010
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For completeness sake (both in terms of the film editions and in terms of all the special features content), I plan to buy both the TE's and the EE's. LOTR trilogy are my favorite movies of all-time, so I want everything there is to have about them. Sucks that we have to wait long for the EE's but that's life. I don't plan on buying the TE's until the price drops or there's a big sale. WB is notorious for having the biggest price drops & lowest SRP's on the market, that's one great thing we can say about them.

ShellOilJunior
  Jan 27, 2010
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JediFonger,

That seems about right.

The schedule:

Theatrical blu-rays- 2010
Extended Blu-rays 2012
3-D theatrical blu-rays 2015
3d extened blu-rays 2018

Gotta love these suits who have no clue what people want/just wanna squeeze dough out of us.

meyerste
  Jan 27, 2010
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No Extended Editions Cuts. NO Money from me. I will wait no problem. I'm sick and tired of these execs/companies saying that.
CaptainRon
  Jan 27, 2010
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The Treatment of these poor fans to turn themselves into buying machines is simply BARBARIC

BARBARIC
let that word resound, from hill to hill, from mountain to mountain, from valley to valley
across this broad land.

BARBARIC

RIKANA
  Jan 27, 2010
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Oh No! This in not going to end well, and were never going to hear the end of it!

well that stinks! But I'd be buying both versions any way.

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3Z3VH
  Jan 27, 2010
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Am I missing something here ? How does the release of the Hobbit movie in 2012 mean that the EE Blu-Rays will not be released till 2012 ?

Are people still going off rumour and speculation that they would not release the EE till the Hobbit comes out ?
CaptainRon
  Jan 27, 2010
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F**k 3-d
CaptainRon
  Jan 27, 2010
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and let me get this straight, they are goingto be releasing 3-d on nearly the 20th anniversary?

JTStarkiller
  Jan 27, 2010
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I honestly don't see them waiting until Q4 2012 to release the EEs. I bet at the latest we see them summer 2011 or something. I'm optimistic. I could be dead wrong, but with Blu-ray gaining as much ground as it is, nearly three years is a LONG wait. Just because The Hobbit got pushed back doesn't necessarily mean the EE Blu's will get pushed. Have faith people. Don't buy the TE's if you don't want them!

CHERRYGARCIA
  Jan 27, 2010
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like the majority, i'll be waiting for the EE
and will "suffer"with the DVD upscale of the SD till then

Robert Siegel
  Jan 27, 2010
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It's a shame that Warner did not release the extended versions to begin with. I will not buy the theatrical versions because I enjoy the extended cuts so much more and feel they tell the story much better, so it looks like a wait for me. The studio should realize that there are people who are sick of double-dipping with DVD and aren't going to keep doing it with another format. I will just rent the upcoming set. Since they were remastering these movies for Blu-ray they should have offered both and let the consumer choose. The studios are in this for profit but reading the threads here, it's obvious that they are going to lose some sales, although the mainstream might be happy enough with the shorter versions, film fans are a different story. Enough with the double dipping.
uniquetreatone
  Jan 27, 2010
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what does the Hobbit movie have to do with the EEs ? Is this some kind of scare tactic to get us to buy the TE edition ? Well I'll just wait, my dvds and tnt will get me over till then.

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kevinokev
  Jan 27, 2010
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In regards to the discs, this is only speculation...
Titanicfave
  Jan 27, 2010
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I can be patient for LOTR EE in 2012.

Chaotic
  Jan 27, 2010
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I will buy this. I have no desire to see the EE

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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I shall be double dipping on this one. In 3 years, I will just sell the theatrical and apply that to the EEs.
tjubb
  Jan 27, 2010
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I've had it with all the whining on various boards about not buying the set unless it's the EE version. Stop complaining about a business trying to make money by getting us to double dip. Last I heard that's the point of a business, TO MAKE MONEY! Companies have every right to make as much of a profit as they can. If you don't like the business plan of a company trying to make money then don't buy the stinking product. I for one am pumped about the April release and will be a day one purchase for me. Would I have rather had the EE edition, yes! But I'll take what I can get for such an iconic trilogy! When EE versions come out in a few years, I'll buy those too and just ebay the old set, no big deal. I'll survive the additional cash expenditure on this one.

Good Lord, enough already!

EvolutionCherry
  Jan 27, 2010
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I am not upgrading for anything less than the EE so until then I'll stick with my LOTR:EE DVDs.

blubryant
  Jan 27, 2010
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I wanna see some more double dippers, the more people that double dip, the faster the EE's will come out, and I can stop watching my fantastic quality EE dvds, with DTS ES 6.1, and probably the best picture you can find on DVD. I know it's annoying, but this isn't as bad as some other movies we don't even have proper DVD transfers of.

surfdude12
  Jan 27, 2010
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may have to double dip now...
slaizer2000
  Jan 27, 2010
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companies are in business to make money. They in all likely figured they could get double dippers by doing the regular versions first and then the extended versions. Then don't be surprised if they found out about the comments on this website and other websites and choose to move the EE out further in order to force people into double dipping. Also wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally may have released false info about moving the EE out till 2012 in order to trick people into buying the theatrical editions and then gouge you with the EE in one years time. In todays society ethics is thrown to the curb in the pursuit of the all mighty dollar.

Old Bones
  Jan 27, 2010
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EE's only , NO double dip...... no "fool & his money here"
WB can KMA !

slimdude
  Jan 27, 2010
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I could care less if they release TLOTR on Blu-ray, after applying numerous of delays. No movie is THAT important! And besides, we still have the standard DVDs to watch anytime at our convenience, so actually, the Blu-ray release is not a top priority, nor a rush to me. It's not like the movies aren't available at all!

Andes
  Jan 27, 2010
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I also plan to double dip and sell the TE blu in 2012. I'm tired of 1080i and upscaled dvds and I refuse to pay $3.50 a pop for rentals.

indiephantom
  Jan 27, 2010
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The theatrical versions are the ones to watch, if you ask me. I can't imagine sitting through the EE's again. Not enough time in life.
kevinbr100
  Jan 27, 2010
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they are just making it barely before the end of the world in 2012, better not be any more delays
aaaa6344
  Jan 27, 2010
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dude EE sucks, bloated like crap and changed the original good intro

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Yeha-Noha
  Jan 27, 2010
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I agree with Lucy's and comments from others who won't be double dipping. I can wait for the EE of LOTR whenever it's released. In the meantime I'll just continue to enjoy the EE release on my DVDs which quite amazingly have pdg PQ and fine 6.1 sound. Sorry WB/New Line Cinema, I'm not playing your game this time.

Mier101294
  Jan 27, 2010
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Doesn't matter to me either way. Buying the TE for the wife because she doesn't like sitting for 12 hours to watch a trilogy and buying the EE for me when they come out because I do lol. So I'll be double dipping regardless.

jimmybobo
  Jan 27, 2010
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Nice try, I will wait for EE and I bet it won't take as long as this COO's career lasts.
GregBe
  Jan 27, 2010
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At first, I thought I would wait, but if I can buy Terminator Salvation and Transormers RoTF for audio and video quality and demo material, I am confident there will be no way I can wait once the theatrical cuts come out, and all of the reviews start talking about the A/V quality, which I am sure will be amazing.
flyfree432
  Jan 27, 2010
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Sorry, I didn't buy the theatrical versions of the DVD's, and I don't plan on buying the Theatrical release on blu-ray.

Spyder-Dan
  Jan 27, 2010
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I for one will not buy the theatrical editions but will rent them from Netflix; simple.
masetodd
  Jan 27, 2010
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Upconverted Extended Edition DVDs look great - no need for me to upgrade until later.

And for those of you who "can't wait" - there's this thing called RENTING. Renting the Theatrical Editions on blu-ray is still much cheaper than double-dipping.
jaukerma
  Jan 27, 2010
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I love the responses that I'm seeing on here. Consumers wield way more power than they realize but we're typically so dependent on instant gratification/convenience that we rarely utilize it. The suits at Warner are fully aware of this and that's plays a major factor in their decisions.

I'm waiting for EE's on blu. I absolutely love these films and have been anticipating their release on blu since I first learned about blu ray. I've only seen the the TE's once, and that was in the theater. I wouldn't mind seeing them again, so I'll rent those blu's on Netflix.

Unrelated - I'm no longer paying more than $15 for a blu ray, no more than $8 if it fails to include lossless audio. If more people held this view, prices would drop next week. I'm sure some feel that $20 is a good price for a new blu and if it's worth it to them, then that's fine. Unfortunately, most people look at the price and feel that they've got no other option than to buy at that price and so they fold. When that happens, you lend the suits power.

Blurred
  Jan 27, 2010
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Seriously, i might aswell download the theatrical bd-releases on a torrent site and buy the extended later.

FFS, they have no reason not to release the extended editions. They steal from me, i steal from them.

Lame, just lame. I did this with dvd, im not doing it again.
blindcat87
  Jan 27, 2010
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I have a different perspective on this. People throw out the double dip term way to easily and loosely. To me a double dip is a second release of a film very quickly after the previous release including just enough new material, usually material that was easily available for inclusion when the initial release came out in order to entice fans of the film to buy again before they have had enough time to get their money's worth of enjoyment out of the initial release. People keep throwing out the term to mean any re-release, no matter how long after the film has been released or what remastering, correction of previous issues, or addition of new material not easily available has been done or included.

Now, on the one hand, I think two years goes way beyond the realm of a double dip normally, except that they are telegraphing that they are going to do this ahead of time. So, while that at least let's people know what to expect, to me it kind of alters the time frame making it, I guess more double dippy? Next, I am someone who wants both versions of the films. My opinion on the releases would be majorly shifted one way or the other if it were more clear whether the EE release would be just those versions or would include both versions via seamless branching. If they do not, I do not see it as a double dip but rather releases of differing versions, but if the EE release is to use seamless branching to present both, then it is definitely a money grab situation taking advantage of fan impatience.

Frankly, with the delay announced, I think they either need to scrap the current release and release a version later in the year or however soon they can get it out with both versions via seamless branching, or make a clear announcement of a separate EE only release later this year allowing people to choose whether they want one or both or neither, and do a UCE like they are doing with Goonies and have done with other classics a couple years down the road including a UCE version of the Hobbit. While this scheme still wouldn't make everyone happy, if they followed one of these plans and were very clear on what they were going to do it would go a long way towards giving fans clear choices rather than taking advantage of fan uncertainty and impatience. Personally, I would prefer them to do the seamless branching single release now followed by UCE including the Hobbit later. They could then offer the Hobbit films separately, in a standard configuration packaged with the standard seamless branching release of the trilogy, and in the UCE. To me, two years of enjoyment is more than enough to justify buying the films later this year and rebuying them in an ultimate configuration along with the Hobbit films, actually probably three years since I think the second Hobbit film will come out in 2013. The UCE would have tons of newly produced material, all the stuff that SJ says he wants to add but doesn't have time for now, and since people know it will be coming they will be able to make an informed choice far in advance on what they want to do. WB will still make tons of money and can do it without playing little keep away games with their consumers.

Either way, with the delay, I think it is not fair to fans to make us wait so long for the EEs. Give them now and wait a little longer to do an ultimate collector's version after the entire franchise is complete.

Briscogun
  Jan 27, 2010
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Sounds like most folks have either one, or both, versions of these films on DVD already, so if folks are planning on double-dipping when they new blu versions come out, then that would end up being a potential triple or even quadruple dip? Good lord...

I already have the TE versions on DVD, and I got the EE of ROTK for a gift, so until I see either one or both of the blu sets, I'll be relaxing on this release. Besides, TNT shows these things monthly, so it's not like I'm not getting my fill of LOTR.

And it's perfectly resonable for them to release the TE first, then wait 6-12 months or so and release the EE. That's business. I don't begrudge any company the opportunity to effectively market their product. If you want the EE, then wait a while. No one is forcing you to buy the TE product.

My question is this: What is the possibility of having BOTH versions in one set? So they could release an Ultimate Edition set that included both the TE and the EE. That would be the set I would buy!

drobswim13
  Jan 27, 2010
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I am going to call their bluff on this one. I highly doubt there will be an entire 24 month gap between Theatrical and EE, but I guess it is possible. Regardless, I'll stick to my dvds until the EE.

Chris60119
  Jan 27, 2010
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I can wait.
superdrag ninja
  Jan 27, 2010
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Warner Brothers, call me in 2012.

Until then, I'll happily view my Extended Edition DVD box sets.
XMan777
  Jan 27, 2010
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Well it looks they won't be getting my CASH until 2012!!! Let's hope there's still an economy by then...

Atreyu
  Jan 27, 2010
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Still gonna wait, this is why studios do what they do 'cause they know die hard fans will double dip. Not me 'cause once EE come out the theatrical ones will just gather dust on my shelf and you probably won't be able to sell them for much. All who want EE should boycott the theatrical version to start sending a message to the studios that, we are mad as hell and we aren't gonna take it anymore!

BobLoblaw
  Jan 27, 2010
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Nice try WB, but I'm still waiting for the EEs.
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Imrahil2001
  Jan 27, 2010
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Not doing it until they release EEs.

GGX
  Jan 27, 2010
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If rather have nothing than the theatrical cuts.

Pauliesr
  Jan 27, 2010
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Lots of patience required. Will not be easy.

I know I can. I know I can. I know I can....

myuzickman
  Jan 27, 2010
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Upconvert will do fine until the EEs come out.
mredman
  Jan 27, 2010
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Why do people call this double dip. The theatrical movies is different then the EE.

And what is with these people that can't take it that people want both editions. All those people get bars down from the rating. really childish

MTRodaba2468
  Jan 27, 2010
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As someone that prefers to have "definitive" releases of movies (and at this point, sees no reason why Blu-Ray shouldn't be used as such), I see no reason why WB doesn't release a package with both cuts and all the extras from the previous releases. As such, I'll wait until the EEs are released, in hopes that that'll be a "definitive" release.

jeffrow
  Jan 27, 2010
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Ill just rent them on blu. then wait for ee.

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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I find all this talk amusing. Double dip or not...who the heck cares? Companies are out to make money and this one is no different. People are complaining and moaning when most anyone on here, if had the chance to make some green by doing some sort of 'double dip', would do so.

Double dip or not...its each to his/her own.
I shall spend my money anyway I please and you feel free to do the same. But complaining that there is going to be a double dip on this...is really worthless. Its like when the dvd's came out...it was announced that there would be EE's coming out. Hell, I thought that was nice of them to at least tell the masses that.

Buy it twice...dont by it twice...whatever

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ShaggyDude
  Jan 27, 2010
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This IS double dipping at its worst. Planned double dipping, even. We can see the 2nd dip coming over the horizon. Both editions could be on 1 disc, but some guy in a suit decided that splitting them into two different products might bring in the kind of money they saw when they had MANY separate LOTR releases on DVD.

I don't recall an announcement for the original Extended Editions until long after the theatrical editions were on shelves and I don't expect we will know any details for the new EE blus until after April. If I recall correctly they even had separate releases for each movie, then a release window for the theatrical box set, then a separate window for each EE movie, all of which were about a year apart.

It's trickery! It's preying on the lowest common denominators that JUST CAN'T WAIT. I can wait, and I don't understand how anyone in their right mind would go out and buy the theatrical edition when they KNOW they will be at the store a year later to pay full price for essentially THE SAME MOVIES.

The Guilty Party
  Jan 27, 2010
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Doesn't the world end in 2012?? Now I'm NEVER going to see the EEs on BD!!

pickfair
  Jan 27, 2010
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mredman Why do people call this double dip. The theatrical movies is different then the EE.

And what is with these people that can't take it that people want both editions. All those people get bars down from the rating. really childish

-then Warners should issue both versions at the same time and let people choose. The 2 year delay is aimed squarely at those that only want the EE's

burn in hell New Line

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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Sometimes you spend money for some enjoyment in life knowing what is 'on the horizon'. I love Lord of the Rings (my favorite books of all time) flicks. I have no problems spending the cash twice.

I have to disagree with you on the EE dvd's. I am fairly sure it was announced that the EEs dvds were coming around around the same time the theatrical ones came out. Though, I could be wrong. Can anyone confirm this?

Its to make money. I am not saying its right..but damn what the product is and how passionate ppl are about it...its to make money. Bottom line.

I dont question how others spend their money and I dont want people to question me on how I spend my money (and no, nobody here is doing that--fyi). If I want to be 'stupid' and buy the theatrical blu's for the pleasure of owning them for 3 more years worth of enjoyment, I will do so and sell them in 3 yrs in order to get the EEs.

I dont agree with the 'trickery' statement. YOu know right now that the EEs are coming out probably in 2012. You have been all but told up front. How is that trickery? Dont buy the theatrical and wait for the EEs. Do what you will with your cash and enjoy.
wonka
  Jan 27, 2010
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I agree shaggyDude, send the EE's out to 2015 see if I care, I still won't pay you bastards twice

alter-ryden
  Jan 27, 2010
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I have a feeling they'll bring out the Extended Editions in 2011. 2011 is after all the 10th anniversary of the first film, it seems appropriate.

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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To add a bit..

How many times has Wizard of Oz been released? That is just to name a one of countless releases that see a double dip.

Again..I am not saying its right..not at all......but people spend their cash how they want to. Complain all you want but I dont think New Line is going to change their minds on releasing this twice.
And it will not surprise me if down the road, when some new latest and greatest movie format is released, they will be released yet again.

pickfair
  Jan 27, 2010
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the best way to force New Line to release them sooner, is to NOT BUY the TE's Let them sit on shelves, it will cost New Line $millions to manufacture and ship. If it's not moving thru, and they are facing a finacial bath, they'll put out the EE's real fast

BLURAYSONYES
  Jan 27, 2010
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I mean you could record the high def LOTRs on your DVR and keep it until the EE comes out.

slimdude
  Jan 27, 2010
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The studios are not forcing anyone to "double dip" on any of the their Blu-ray, or DVDs movies, and they're not holding a gun on the consumers either, to buy them on multiple formats. It is strictly by choice. If you decide to "double dip", then it's nobody's fault but your own, not the studios.

Cinemaddict
  Jan 27, 2010
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Either way, I plan on purchasing both versions.
erikilla
  Jan 27, 2010
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So I'll wait two more years. Big deal. Plenty of movies to get instead of the theatrical versions of LOTR. I'll put my money to better use!

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obiwopkenobi62
  Jan 27, 2010
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No way I'm double dipping. What everyone should do is not buy the theatrical versions when they come out on Blu to send a message to the studios. I will hold on to my DVD set until the extended editions get released.

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ShaggyDude
  Jan 27, 2010
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No one knows when the EEs will drop. People are guessing at a release for them but no one at New Line or WB is talking about it because I don't think they even know! As much as they'd like you to believe it, it's not like remastering the EE is going to take 2 years. Seriously, if they took the time to make HD theatrical editions, they made the EEs too and now they're just holding on to them until the sales of the theatrical version wane or they can piggy back the EE sales on the Hobbit's hype train.

The thing is, yes, it's a smart business move when the release price of a blu-ray gets cut in half just a month after they come out. BUT, with movies like LOTR and Star Wars, I think these studios would see a lot more $$ just from putting them on the shelves ASAP and then sticking to their guns on the price for longer. You might think that plan would fall apart when people just buy them used in 6 months, but then ask yourself, who do you know who would resell their LOTR EEs or a box set of Star Wars blu-rays?

I think now more than ever, if you come out with a quality box set you can sell it for a higher price and keep the demand up by not selling them individually. Just by NOT having the EEs on shelves for the next 2 years is pissing away potential sales. Their marketing strategy is so hung up on making "release windows" that they forget that the lifetime of the blu-ray format is one big long-term release window for movies like the LOTR trilogy.

If the Hobbit comes out in late 2012 and they finally release the EEs, who knows, maybe we will all want it in 3D Blu-Ray, and someone over at New Line will wonder how the EE completely missed an entire release window for 2D blu-ray.

HeavyHitter
  Jan 27, 2010
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I think it's common sense (not trickery) and obvious Warner will milk out the theatrical versions for (literally) what they are worth for the next 2.5 - 3 years and then release the EEs once The Hobbit comes out. While I would have liked the EE versions this April, I will purchase the theatricals at a good price and enjoy them for quite some time. ***I cannot tolerate 480i MPEG-2 DVD any longer *** and don't lecture me on a good upscaling player as I own the Oppo BDP-83 and have an ISF calibrated 60" LCOS which puts out a phenomenal 1080p/24 image. Sitting close enough on such a set-up, DVD is not acceptable.
izaidi
  Jan 27, 2010
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I will wait for Black Friday deals on this one as it surely will come around $35 around that time. Otherwise I'll wait for EEs. If I can wait for so may years i can wait for a couple more.

Cinemaddict
  Jan 27, 2010
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I have been planning on double-dipping for some time. I'd like to own both.

DirtHerder
  Jan 27, 2010
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Then 2012 it is to buy the best version of the movies to watch at home. I've seen them all in the theaters and enjoyed every one of them, but for just sitting back with a brew and a good sized meal. That Demands the Extended Cut hands down. Enjoy the first releases on Blu, I'll be there when warner get its head out of its arse and release what Everyone truly loved about that series.

Melesine
  Jan 27, 2010
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I'll wait till 2012 for the extended editions.

sackexchange
  Jan 27, 2010
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No big deal, I'll wait.
rlf3911
  Jan 27, 2010
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How about this? I was going to buy the extended editions... but since they keep trying to jack us around and not release what the customers want... I'm not going to buy either version. I'll stick to my DVDs until they get it straight.

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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Jack you around? Again...you have been all but told that the EEs are coming out after the TEs. You have a choice. There is no gun to your head to purchase both of them. You decide, you choose. There is nothing to get straight. They are out to make green and that is what they are going to do whether you like it or not. This is too big of a title for them not to try and make some money..and they will.

SellmeyourDVD
  Jan 27, 2010
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If anyone thinks the EEs were coming out sooner than 2011, than should be labeled clinically insane. Warner knows people would rather have something than nothing, so that's what they're doing. I bet 75% of the people who said they were holding out wont now that we have this news.
bfellow
  Jan 27, 2010
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I love how the users have rated LOTR Blu-Ray 1.5/5. Keep up those 1s!

Stlsports
  Jan 27, 2010
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I'll just rent the theatrical editions if I wanna watch them.
BluRayFreak
  Jan 27, 2010
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I find it amazing that some people settle for less, and don't mind getting shafted over and over by big corporations.

Really--the movies have already been converted to HI-DEF...why not release them on Blu-Ray already?

Same with Star Wars!
Russell22
  Jan 27, 2010
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If only people would stand up and say "No we won't buy these..give us the extended editions" but alas the studio knows people will be gullable enough to buy them and then double dip in 2012..shame on the studio but shame on the buying public too..for me my sony s-760 will do an nice upscale for the next 2 yrs.

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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I dont think this should be considered 'the shaft'. Some people like the TEs over the EEs. Some will buy one or the other. Some will help buy New LIne execs brand new planes, like me and purchase both editions.

They are releasing said movies in Hi-Def...in April. Not soon enough?
davidlg1971
  Jan 27, 2010
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It's not being gullible or being taken advantage of:

A lot of people WANT to have the theatrical editions. Probably a big percentage of the audience wants JUST the theatrical cuts.

You and I may think of the Extended editions as superior...but not everyone wants all the same things we do.

borninusa
  Jan 27, 2010
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Amen to that

Melesine
  Jan 27, 2010
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Quote : If anyone thinks the EEs were coming out sooner than 2011, than should be labeled clinically insane. Warner knows people would rather have something than nothing, so that's what they're doing. I bet 75% of the people who said they were holding out wont now that we have this news.




we don't have nothing, anyone considering buying the blus likely already owns the DVDs. It's not like I can't watch the movies. And besides, how many times will I watch them in the next 2 years? Probably not once, I just rewatched them about a month ago. I will absolutely wait for the EE, haven't even watched the theatrical release versions since the EEs came out. If I want to see it on blu that bad in the next 2 years I can rent them
Xtreem813
  Jan 27, 2010
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Ghebert is absolutely right and that was my exact thought after reading this. They can roast on their awful Amazon.com review score with those half-assed blu-rays until 2012 then. I have my DVDs and that's fine.

Of course, they'll probably just screw us by releasing only the extended cuts on blu without any of the special features since the theatricals seem to have a lot of those features. I may not ever buy either; definitely not at full price. I love the movies and this awful corporate scheming really pisses me off. They could have easily released one set with everything like Blade Runner but they chose to force a double-dip. Screw Warner.

Randy Watson
  Jan 27, 2010
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Fuck you, Warner Bros.

slaughteredlamb
  Jan 27, 2010
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I just watched the extended version dvds, and would much prefer watching a lesser quality extended version then the HD theatrical cuts. Just an opinion.

cynatnite
  Jan 27, 2010
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I'll wait. EE is the only way to go.

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ryandubbz
  Jan 27, 2010
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ive never seen the trilogy but i want to, so ill get the theatrical version cant wait. These movies along with my eD a2-300 will be awesome

QuasidodoJr
  Jan 27, 2010
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Right on ya, davidlg1971 - I WANT the TE's. I'll just rent the EE's whenever they come out.

Minimejer05
  Jan 27, 2010
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Might just rent the theatrical cuts and purchase the extended cuts whenever they come out.

littletrickceo
  Jan 27, 2010
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Here's some food for thought...there are actually people in this world that liked the theatrical cuts better than the extended editions. Everyone that is complaining about not getting the EE's at the same time as the TE's (or utilizing seamless branching) need to remember something: Warner Bros. owes you nothing. Let the down votes begin...
Guy Incognito
  Jan 27, 2010
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I have more than enough patience to wait for this...there's going to be a lot of other titles coming down the pike before then anyway.
CANUCKS FAN
  Jan 27, 2010
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Buy em both.In 2 years give them to girlfriend or a buddy for a couple of beers.lol

733subvet
  Jan 27, 2010
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WTF ! there is no way in hell i am going to buy the theatrical releases as a matter of principal.

i, like others have said already, will "suffer" with the EE on DVD on my plasma until we get the EE on blu-ray NOT MATTER WHEN OR HOW MUCH
Vampyro
  Jan 27, 2010
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WOW, these guys are ruthless! How convenient for this to be announced right before the blu release of the theatricals.. You are an even bigger fool than before if you say you will settle for the theatricals. It is so obvious that they are worried due to the lack of preordering and general hype.

Go ahead play the dumb consumer, BUT NOT ME! I would rather wait for the 3d version... which I am sure the EE will be when released...

aesnakes
  Jan 27, 2010
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They will never get my money for the theatrical thats for sure.

BrahmaBull1969
  Jan 27, 2010
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Mobjack....I totally agree with you....that is exactly what Warner is wanting us to do....buy now, and buy later....well no BLEEPING way!!!! I will wait until 2015 if I have to...Extended only...theatrical versions just don't cut it after watching the extendeds......once again...not only do Warner do a crap job on back catalogue titles, but now this??? UNREAL! I would SO love it if their sales were totally LOW!!!!! LOL!

VHS4Ever
  Jan 27, 2010
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I going to rent regular and buy EE when it comes out.

halokilla77
  Jan 27, 2010
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I'm not waiting till 2012 to own LOTR on Blu-ray. I will purchase the Theatrical versions in April and when 2012 arrives I'll purchase the EE Editions as well.

CaptFuture
  Jan 27, 2010
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I find myself between a rock and a hard place, folks.

Do I buy the Theatrical Editions (which I actually prefer for editing and flow) or do I wait and hold out for the Extended Editions to help my fellow Blu-philes send a message to the suits? (I love sending messages, don't you?)

Since I have them on DVD already (both TE & EE), I think I'll reward Warner by getting all those wonderful Classics just announced and forgoing the "Rings" till just before the Extendeds come out. That way, I can probably save money (they should be cheaper by then or even used) and help limit sales of the TE title (where they could really release both versions together via branching and eliminate this Edition nonsense).

Not that they will care. They're a business just trying to make money and this strategy will probably work. It usually does.

But I've come to another conclusion too.
I'm tired of all this marketing. I just want to enjoy the format and save a little money.

Mr. Joshua
  Jan 27, 2010
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Oh man hope it is before December 2012 or we won't get to watch the extended additions...

Tinz
  Jan 27, 2010
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I am sick and tired of tricks like this. I am even getting commercial adverts on my blu-rays now that I can't skip. It's all becoming too much to bear. My money now goes elsewhere.
Todd Smith
  Jan 28, 2010
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No way am I buying the TEs........... I will gladly wait for the EEs.

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PatrynXX
  Jan 28, 2010
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Sorry tired of not only double dip but triple dip. That last dvd release really pi**ed me off. So for those with the nice huge box set, one's rewarded with more stuff if you'd waited longer. So how many years did one wait between extendeds? 2 years is nothing. I'll wait. Good grief the comments on amazon have the BD release down near a 1 star. Not getting bribed into it. Looks just fine on dvd, I'll wait. (unless of course I find them for $4 used or something. Would look kinda dumb ignoring LOTR used on Blu Ray, but April no. Only fanatics would buy something at full price. Still can't believe True Blood Season 1 at a list price of $80 is still near $30. shoulda grabbed that at $25 but forgot. (and thats at the amazon free shipping line. This reminds me of the Netflix and ahem WARNER BROTHERS debate over releasing their movies a month late on netflix. One thing I suddenly figured out is I find out when movies are out on dvd thru netflix. So if the movies show up as being out on 2/16/10 okay thats when I rent maybe buy. (this sites example of Whiteout which is available) And patience and Netflix go hand in hand. This still goes to good things come to those who wait. Anybody who bought an HDDVD Player should have that pounded into their head by now :P As they are stuck with players that either nobody wants or collectors will want. (I'm a collector of video's on a disk. LD, CED (Vinyl video. out for 4 years nobody's heard of it 1982-1986, far better than laserdisc because one doesn't actually touch the disk) some VCD's, Movie CD's (probably worse dead than CED's) bout the only place on disk I could find The Minds Eye (original, not Beyond the minds eye, and where I found Chronos which is now out on BD) and of course have one single HDDVD for 75 cents brand new.. well it was. till I discovered what a sh** media that is. Brand new, dirty, covered in grime on the case inside (have no idea why) inner hole crackable and easily scratched. And that stupid red box. Sure I'd get a HDDVD player at some point just for a collectors thing but will wait as long as possible till it's $25 or so. (which is what I paid for the CED player (heavy though as it uses a needle that nobody can find $50 needle) and the LD player was $20 industrial style plays 30 yr old LD's just fine. and Star Wars Ep 4-6 are in their original format. original non young ankakin style (like the CED's, cept those are pan and scan)

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PatrynXX
  Jan 28, 2010
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CaptFuture ...... the marketing reminds me of Yanni. Just how many different covers of the same album did he have. The re released albums with different mixes etc. Does Yanni even do music anymore. Kinda like Danni Ashe. She's retired from the adult world, but had plenty of shoots unreleased which she releases from time to time. :P

speaking of patience how many years did people wait for the Nixon tapes to be released??

Only the super LOTR fanatic will buy these BD's. (or the uninformed) I'll end up buying them used more than likely and thats a BIG if I do.

UKTruBlu
  Jan 28, 2010
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Still happy to wait for the extended versions. Hell you never know, you might be able to choose to watch the extended version of the film or the theatrical, surley it can't be that difficult for the blu ray to be able to switch??

JOHN MFN D.
  Jan 28, 2010
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Like the rest of you nerds I saw all 3 opening night, bought the TEs on dvd, bought the EEs on dvd, and will buy both on Blu. So why not stop pissing and moaning over studio hijinks and admit you'll buy whatever they're selling!
superdrag ninja
  Jan 28, 2010
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I can't wait to gripe over the theatrical Star Wars trilogy vs. the Special Edition Star Wars trilogy Blu-rays.
NYorker
  Jan 28, 2010
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Can't believe there are those who will be suckered in to double-dip on this one as well...

Marcuslaw
  Jan 28, 2010
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I'll take the upconverted look of the EE DVD's on my BD player before double dipping on the Theatrical. EE BD's only. Nice try Warner.

Monolithium
  Jan 28, 2010
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Since the Extended's are the only versions in my mind, I will wait.

phatrat1982
  Jan 28, 2010
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you people make me laugh it's so funny how every thinks it is their right to own which ever version of the movie they feel is best, no it is the studios right to control their property and do what they must to stay in business. I am unaffected by this because I was only ever going to buy the theatrical versions anyways.
Heirren
  Jan 28, 2010
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Now this is rather sad. The grossest kind of double dip there is. The first bad aspect of this release is that ONE release with both versions is doable. So the studios and PJ decide to do the big double dip. Okay, it makes sense, it's about money, but what makes things worse is that the length of time between the theatrical and EE releases seemed to be an either, "I can't wait I'm buying the Theatrical," or "I'll hold off for the EE." Now, with the delay, its a more or less forcing people to buy both, and I know nobody is REALLY forcing anybody, but who wants to wait for a favorite film for TWO years. The saddest part of it is by 2012 BD burners will likely be available to mass consumer..

As for the comment in regards to Mr. Lucas. I never understood how people have that mentality. Sure there were multiple releases on vhs/laserdisc/dvd, but it was moreso when the product has run it's course--more of a repackaging. The product inside is essentially the same. I mean, in comparing the dvd releases of LOTR and Star Wars on dvd, that comment is a joke. LotR was being packaged as the theatrical and theatrical with cheap statue, the latter for darn near $70!!! I picked up the ENTIRE star wars trilogy ONE time on dvd for $37.99. Three films WITH a great bonus disc.

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Yeha-Noha
  Jan 28, 2010
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phatrat1982 said:

"you people make me laugh it's so funny how every thinks it is their right to own which ever version of the movie they feel is best, no it is the studios right to control their property and do what they must to stay in business."

True, it's their property, and they have the right to put whichever version that they think will sell best on Blu-ray. I wouldn't laugh just yet though. It's the consumer's right to buy what s/he wants. If WB/NLC doesn't put the EE version on Blu-ray, as a consumer I have the right to choose not to buy the TE which IMO is inferior to the EE. Give them time. Surely you really don't believe that they won't be tempted to put the EE on Blu-ray? It's exactly the same marketing strategy as before when LOTR first came out on DVD. The TE came out first, the EE later. What makes the marketing strategy any different for Blu-ray?

Xtempo
  Jan 28, 2010
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only if its cheap I stick with the EE ones

BasilisK
  Jan 29, 2010
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Painfully, I have to give the studio credit. Consumers on boards everywhere vowed not to double-dip, and the studio just called their bluff. Look at the mountain of similar comments here and elsewhere.... "That's too long; I guess I'll 'have' to double-dip now" seems to be in the majority now.

I still refuse to touch the first dip. If it takes until Q4 2012, so be it. We'll see how the power shift in the next ~3 years between physical discs and downloadable/streaming home video goes. Looks like Warner may not get me on either dip at this point. This announcement has done nothing but make me want to spend even less while time and technology move on, presenting me with even more options.

phatrat1982
  Jan 29, 2010
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I wasn't saying they won't do it just that it's funny how people act like if it doesn't come out now it's the end of the world or something. You have 2 choices, keep the DVD's and wait for the BR's of the EE or buy the Blu Rays of the TC and wait for the EE's either way you still have to wait for the EE's. Personally I never liked the movies enough to sit through the extended versions when I barely could get through the theatrical versions. But I know that is just me so.

phatrat1982
  Jan 29, 2010
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I don't know why anyone is surprised by this anyways, for those of us who want only the Theatrical versions isn't it good marketing for Warner to give us what we want too?

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Yeha-Noha
  Jan 29, 2010
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phatrat1982, of course, that's right. NLC made sure of that when the EE came out on DVD. My DVD set contained both TE and EE. I love the TE too because I am a LOTR fan. It's just that the EE is better and I can just as well wait for it to come out on Blu-ray. It just seems to me that they could have done that in the first place. Universal's release of King Kong, another PJ movie, had both TE and EE on the same Blu-ray disk when it first came out. Since you disclosed that you are not an avid fan of LOTR, I understand your position now.

ChristerDoo
  Jan 29, 2010
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2 words - jerk ... offs ( or ... cash grab). I will bide my time and wait since IMHO, it's extended cuts or nothing. No way am I going to triple dip. It's all good - lots to watch between now and xmas 2012.

the Bass Mechanic
  Jan 30, 2010
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Wow, you'd think this was a debate over health care or taxes. Get a grip guys, it's just some movies. Granted, they are great movies, probably some of the best movies ever made, I watch the DVDs at least once a year, and while I want them on Blu-ray ASAP, I will gladly buy the Theatrical set in April, and enjoy those during the over 2-1/2 years till the EE's are released. I'd prefer that they release something with both versions, and an option to pick your own edit, choosing which version of each scene for the player to seamlessly branch to (I prefer the EE version of most scenes, but the Theatrical version of some scenes work better, esp. the first part of FotR up till Gandalf knocks on the door of Bag End).

We all know full well that the EE version is coming out in late 2012, so it is our choice to either buy the Theatrical release in April, and/or the EEs in 2012. There is no deceit or subterfuge involved here. Granted, I'd prefer that the time frame between the 2 releases was more like a few months like with the DVDs were, but I got both versions of those on purpose. They even did us the favor of not just rehashing the extras in the TE DVDs, and adding some additional extras on the EE DVDs, they kept the extras on the TE DVDs separate, so you had to have both versions to get all the extras.

And consider that Peter Jackson has always been hands on with the DVD releases, and wants to make sure that the EE Blu-rays will be the best possible release, but he is busy with The Hobbit right now and has to focus on that for now, then work on the EE Blu-rays once The Hobbit is in the can. I'd much rather he do that, than have someone else oversee a rushed out, inferior release of the EE editions now, only to have him decide to put out the Penultimate version in 2013 or something.

We KNOW when the EE version is coming, so it is up to each of us to decide if just over $20 a movie is worth it to have the Theatrical versions of the movies on Blu-ray now, or wait almost 3 more years for the EE, or get both. I plan to get both, no mater what they time span between the two releases is. Arguing about it just makes no sense to me.
shadleyvw
  Jan 30, 2010
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  Jan 31, 2010
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Actually, what I would like to see are both the extended and theatrical editions in one package. Would be nice to have a Lord of the Rings Extended & Theatrical Ultimate Collectors Edition. In any case I'll pass on the theatrical-only versions and wait for the extended editions. With all the BDs of both new and catalog titles that I would like to buy and more and more titles coming out on Blu all the time, there's truly no hurry for me to buy any particular title or franchise.
Celebrianna
  Jan 31, 2010
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I'll wait for the extended version. In the meantime, I am fine with watching the extended versions on an upconverting bdp.

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Gardenofstone10
  Feb 06, 2010
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Knowing full well I'm going to buy the extended...I cannot fathom waiting that long so in April, I will buy the Theatrical


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