Everything with Blu-ray 3D is happening extremely fast. January isn't even over yet and Amazon already has a compatible player up for preorder: the Samsung BD-C6900, announced mere weeks ago at CES. At the time of writing, it appears as "temporarily out of stock", with no fixed availability date. It carries a price tag of $399.99.
I hope the PS3 has some sort of firmware update to support 3D. The 3D Bluray's I have now are good but no where near theatre Real3d.
Forrestandjen07--- Yes The Final Destination and My Bloody Valentine were in 3D but Ice Age 3, Up, Monsters Vs Aliens and Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs were not and thats because the technolofy is not very good. W/ these new bluray players everyone is hoping it will be theatre quality. Only time will tell.
Personally I'm all for the new 3D technology. Those who wish to own it will pay a little extra for the feature (or alot, depending on all the gear you may need to upgrade). And the price of regular BD hardware will be driven down even further, making adoption even easier for those who don't care about 3D.
um hello... think like dvd players a BD player should play 3d. Red and Blue never worked right, the blue and yellow a little better. The ones at the eye doctors that tended to be just plain gray. Were outstanding. Except I have astigmatism so this really never works right.
(Double vision which ends up ruining 3d in the end since the image has to be one image. But a whole new machine? might as well go to the theater.
Forrestandjen07 do you seriously think that all 3D is the same. Seriously? How do you know how to type? The previously released anaglyph 3D movies and television have nothing to do with this new standard whatsoever. This standard is for full color stereo images not the crappy colored filter crap. I amazes me that with all the information out there that there are people who STILL confuse full color 3D with anaglyph.
Even so $400 is alittle pricey. But then again Profile 1.0 Blu-Ray players were $1000 less then 3.5 years ago so these too will come down in price with time.
I'm legally blind in one eye so I can't see 3-D anymore anyway but even if I could I wouldn't bite at this. Still a gimmick to me. Let's master top notch regular Blu-ray releases at mass appeal prices and then MAYBE we can talk fancy side items like 3-D.
Anaglyph? Full color stereo? Are you kidding me? 3D is just a gimmick. A big cash grab by the major corporations to offset their miserable economics of last year. If you need more augmented reality in your life, go on a "trip", if you know what I mean.
The 3D experience is very dependent on your eyesight, 3D technology, 3D glasses, the 3DHDTV, where you are standing/sitting etc. If all those are correctly adjusted, 3D can be very cool and add something to the movie experience. However, if one or several factors aren't adjusted properly, your eyes will most likely hurt and ruin the experience completely.
This just in: Lexicon has announced plans to release a 3D Blu-ray player in the near future. At the time of writing the player is currently "temporarily out of stock". Although there is currently no fixed availability date, a Lexicon insider stated it would be on the market "within three months of the Samsung BD-C6900's release date". Unit cost is reported to be $3,400. Dr. Ken Taraszka of Home Theater Review will be the first to review Lexicon's new 3D Blu-ray player. Despite not receiving the unit yet, Dr. Taraszka has already published a review of the new Lexicon, praising its weight and touting the superior build quality of its buttons. "This Lexicon player is so much better than that Samsung player," he said.
It kind of amazes me how people are still saying "When they can do 3D without the glasses, sign me up"... Do they not realize that viewing 3D from a flat display surface for more than one viewer requires that each eye see a different image ? How are you supposed to make a single, flat medium show a different image to two different eyes at the same time, without glasses to filter out one eye's view from the other ? Without making people go crosseyed, this is impossible.
I rather watch Avatar in 3D at the theater and at home when given the opportunity. I'll buy a 3D Blu-ray player and TV if it fits into my budget. $400 is a bit high but that's expected with initial launch, but what is gonna put a hurting on the wallet is the price for 3D HDTVs. I like 3D so I'll end up buying the hardware but the price is going to dictate when.
since eventually ill need to upgrade my 1080i rptv dinosaur, itll probably be 3d ready. with the ps3 update at least i can get an idea of what to expect from 3d blus. but at the moment, a new player is not on my horizon. besides, im too in love with my oppos performance.
I'm with most of you I would not spend money on a new 3D player and then have to buy a new TV and a new AV receiver. If I would buy one it would be the new panny 3D blu ray they were one of the first to push 3D tech on a consumer level and with their new player you don't have to upgrade your av receiver. The panny has 2HDMI out one 1.4 that goes to the 3D TV and a 1.3 that goes to the receiver for sound, in my case that would be an $1,800 savings.
When DTS-HD and TrueHD came out I spent over $1800 for the blu ray player and receiver to make it work. Now this new 3D is coming out that means as everyone stated to purchase a new TV.....again and a new BD player to make 3D work. Do the math...NO THANKS!
If you have a PS3 it is getting upgraded to 3D for free. You do not need a "3D-ready" receiver. Yes there has been talk that 3D will use HDMI 1.4 and you need that all through the chain but that's obviously not true since PS3 is HDMI 1.3.
As for the cost of 3DTV, it has been reported that they will cost $200-$300 above similar 2D models. That doesn't seem like too big of a deal to me, especially if you consider they come with at least 1 pair of shutter glasses.
So to recap: If you own a PS3 and are thinking about upgrading your HDTV anyway, going 3D will cost you about half the price of an OPPO BDP-83.
basically you get 1080i per eye (somn like that). HDMI 1.4 will get you 1080p per eye. what would i want? 1080p per eye. so i'm getting a HDMI 1.4 BD 3-D Player.
will a BD 3-D Player w/HDMI 1.4 play 2-D (even if i buy a 3-D movie disc)? yeah?! why would it stop working? do i need the 3-D HDTV right away? naww, take my time =). but when i do, my BD player will be ready =).
as for upgrading my AVR's HDMI 1.3x, yup. gonna need new receiver if i want to PASS 3-D 1080p per eye info! so here comes the HDMI 1.4 AVR =).
I'm just going to use my PS3 as it already has a confirmed update for 3D when that hits. The biggest concern is the TV, as I don't want to shell out for a 3D TV just to see avatar.
I mean, if they can make great games in 3D, I'm all for it, but I don't see enough quality products.
If they could make existing HDTV's support 3D, then yes, I'll do it. But please, make the marketing simple and easy for consumers.
I can see it already: Avatar: blu ray release, dvd release, dvd 3d release, blu ray 3d release that only works with 3D tv's. Oh god, it's gonna be confusing.
From what I have read, the PS3 will not be able to do 1080p 3D (in both eyes) it will be 720p. You will need HDMI 1.4 to process a full right 1080p and left 1080p signal. This means, for me to get true 1080p 3D, I will need a new projector (I have the Epson 1080 projector), a new receiver (my expensive Denon is HDMI 1.3a) and a new Blu-ray player. Considering the amount of content that will probably be available in the near future, it's way too expensive an investment for now.
Im honestly surprised it's initial retail is only $400. I figured they would make these $600-800 for first few months, then gradually lower prices. Still not luring me into the 3d trap though. This technology is so new that something updated or better will come along and make this first offering obsolete in a matter of a couple years. Much like the old HDMI 1.0 and 1080i offerings from the early part of the last decade.
@JediFonger: If you read will0775's post just above yours, you'll might be happy to know that Panasonic's new 3D BD-player will have 2 HDMI outputs, one HDMI 1.4 to hook-up your (future?) 3D-ready display, and one HDMI 1.3 that is still compatible with your current A/V-receiver. This means that you can keep using your current AVR, while still enjoying 3D, and save you lots of money!
By the way, for the lucky ones here with both a PS3 and a current 3D-ready Mitsubishi or Samsung, you guys don't have to buy any new player or display to enjoy the new 3D BD-format (although in 1080i only); you lucky b@#$!
In this case do we have to buy a new 3D LCD,to watch this kind of BD_3D movie disc ? Since Sony is to launch one soon.I did read an article in the month of dec'09.
Iam surprised to see that even without perfecting this regular BD disc,they have ventured into another upgrade.
I think the recession has hit those multinational consumer durable giants,to keep their company afloat they are giving something new to their coustomers...
Hope that due to newer techonology comming every now & then hope the big screen LCD's & Plasma's Prices go down.Since i want to buy 52 inches samsung or sony in the near future !
sorry but like me there are too many people who can't even watch 3-D for this to ever seriously take off. If it was possible for me to even see 3-D and/or watch the movies without getting a severe headache I still don't think I would be impressed. Even so, I just barely got into Blu Ray this year and had to buy the cheapest player they had at Walmart to even get started and I've only had an HDTV since late 2008 so I am far too poor to upgrade all my stuff anytime soon. So it's kinda a win for me I suppose cuz by the time I can afford this stuff maybe there will be enough content to make it worth the investment, not for me cuz 3-D doesn't work for me, but on the members of the family who might be interested. Either way I wont' be getting anything for at least a few years.
And to the people who keep saying "if you already have a PS3..." yeah ok but what if you DON'T already have a PS3? Honestly you really assume everyone who has Blu Ray automatically has to have a Playstation? Give me a break.
Obviously, the guys with the comments on here are pretty much up-to-date with blu-ray cutting edge events. Many will be potential early adopters of the latest technology.
But the general public are still getting their heads around high definition. It's all very well rushing out new 3D players and/or TVs, but I really don't think mass take-up will happen for at least five years (when people come to replace their hardware). It may not happen at all.
Not everyone likes the idea of sitting at home wearing dark specs to see a movie. In fact, not everyone can phyisically do it without feeling unwell.
For me, I'm happy with blu-ray just the way it is.
If you have a PS3, it WILL play HD 3D. They already confirmed this and it will be just a firmware upgrade.
And if your BD is not a PS3, check with your manufacturer for future firmware updates to see if it will support it. It doesn't mean that your BD player will not play HD 3D just because it is not a PS3. You never know what you got if you don't do your homework.
According to that article someone linked to on page 2, ALL BD players can be upgraded to output 1080i HD 3D. I'm pretty skeptical about that. The only player confirmed to do this is the PS3. And I swear at CES Sony said the PS3 would output full 1080p, but 1080i would be fine for starters.
As for everyone who's "concerned" this technology won't take off, I absolutely agree everyone isn't going to immediately rush out and replace their TVs, receivers and players. But how is this any different than BD adoption? People didn't "rush out" to replace all that stuff for it either, and yet it seems to be doing pretty good.
What happens, is that people, over time, replace their equipment. If you need a new TV and look around at Best Buy, you're going to want to "future proof" your investment. At that point, why not get a 3D TV? This same reason is why HDTV has taken over America.
I do not pretend to think 3DTV will probably ever be as big as HDTV, simply because it's not required to be. People don't need a 3DTV in every room because they likely would not benefit from that. But over time, hardware will be 3D-capable whether they use that feature or not.
So in the end, it doesn't even matter who uses it and who doesn't. 3D is here to stay.
thank you for letting me know... but i'm OCD and i can't imagine 2 separate HDMI outs, 1 for AVR and 1 for 3-D HDTV. for me it has to be all-in-1. so definitely swapping out everything, AVR, BD Player, HDTV w/HDMI 1.4 3-D ecosystem when it all comes together. why do i need it all-in-1? i need to AVR to switch between 3-D cable STB, 3-D HTPC (nv or ati chips), 3-D BD Player that can feed both a 3-D HDTV and a 3-D front projector.. or maybe a pair of projectors. def. not doing it half-arsed. it's always been all or nuthin4me.
and for those of that are talking about PS3 being capable of full HD 1080p per eye, that's completely wrong. the current PS3 and PS3 slim variation/generations have HDMI 1.3x built-in. and if you read HDMI's official website:
"Can older HDMI (v.1.0 - 1.3) devices be firmware-upgraded to take advantage of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4?
Probably not. Most of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4 will require a new HDMI chip to enable, and cannot be upgraded via firmware."
With all due respect JediFonger, that response does not specifically mention 3D. HDMI 1.4 enables several different things including internet access between devices. Well of course that's not going to work with 1.3. The only thing 3D requires in HDMI is enough speed to process it (as far as I know) and 1.3 is "fat" enough to handle 1080p 3D from a bitrate perspective anyway.
Now don't take what I'm saying as gospel by any means. I'm just pointing out that this issue has not been officially and specifically addressed yet (again, as far as I know), particularly with regard to the PS3. No other player has a supercomputer chip in it like the PS3 that can handle the excess computation this would require and I'm sure manufacturers aren't itching to tell their customers they DON'T need to buy new hardware from them.
For the record I have no problem buying a new TV, or even a new player if need be. The only sticking point would be having to buy a new receiver because I just bought one for $400 last year.
All I'm saying is, let's not close the book on 1080p 3D via HDMI 1.3 just yet.
both are single link 10Gbps. so while technically it's possible for 1080p 3-D to be done, it's upto the hardware manufacture. and guess what? from all indications they want to sell MORE hardware!
do you remember back in the early days of HD DVD/BD? most AV Receivers at that time were capable of implementing the FULL HDMI 1.3 w/lossless bitstream built-in... but the reality was that they chose to go w/HDMI 1.2, therefore there was no lossless bitstream at that time, until more BD players were more prevalent. as i recalled i think BD Players implemented 1.3 faster than AV Receivers.
i think we're gonna see a similar thing where hardware mfr are going to make all types of excuses that ultimately u'll just need to upgrade the hw no matter what =). that's what i'm expecting.
I don't buy Samsung. They have incredibly crappy customer service. Even the service man who was repairing my Mitsubishi LCD (the part that broke was made by Samsung) said that he has so many mad Samsung customers that take it out on him, the independent service company because Samsung won't authorize repairs. On the other hand, he said Mitsubishi treated its customers right.
And its true what fettastic wrote. 3D is part of the new 1.4 HDMI profile that all the new equipment coming out should be compliant. It is a drive by the corporations to sell much more expensive 3D HD equipment since the price has just about bottomed out on what non-3D HD TVs and to a lesser extent players. They want to get those profit margins back up.
Please guys, read a few posts before mentioning again that the PS3 will do 3D, will you? Once more, the HDMI 1.3 specification does not allow implementation of 1080p48 currently (please also read the insiders response on HighdefDigest.com, or the thread on this forum about 24fps displays), so the PS3 will (most) probably do 3D, BUT in a 1080i format only, and NOT in 1080p.
If you read the Sony's marketing speak carefully, you will see terms like 'full 1080p' and 'fully 3D compatible', but never the combination of the two. Not that it really matters IMHO, since this (free) software upgrade is a nice gesture indeed, but future will tell. Just my $0.02.