In an interview with USA Today, James Cameron revealed that Fox is considering a theatrical rerelease of Avatar in the fall, possibly in an extended cut. This might affect the 3D Blu-ray release of the movie, although Cameron is still hoping for a fall street date. The Canadian filmmaker is highly enthusiastic about 3D, but he also warned the industry against the temptation to "put bad 3D in the marketplace." He is okay with converting 2D content to 3D but only "if it's done well" and preferably "driven by the artist." Indeed, he intends to convert Titanic to 3D for a theatrical rerelease in 2012. He also expects to start working soon on the Blu-ray release of The Abyss and True Lies.
Regarding 3D in general, Cameron said: "We've demonstrated that the 3D market is an extremely lucrative market and this is not a fad." Admittedly, the arrival of 3D TVs will change the situation once again, but he expected them to take a while to catch on because "there isn't enough content."
Cameron expects people will buy 3D TVs because of future-proofing. "If they're going to buy a 55- or 65-inch monitor they want to make a decision that they're going to feel good about three or four years from now. But right now we've got a content gap."
That lack of 3D content for the home can't be filled by movies, because "we can't make them fast enough. So it's going to have be filled by live production or near-live production." He revealed that live 3D television is relatively cheap; however, any visual effects work done in 3D gets "a significant uptick in the cost of production."
With theaters, the problem is the opposite: the industry is generating the content "but the screens weren't there." In his opinion, more 3D theater screens are needed because "now you're going to have film coming upon film coming upon film."
Cameron made a thinly-veiled jab at Warner Brothers for their 3D conversion of Clash of the Titans, thinking they could do in eight weeks what took several years for the Avatar team. "If people put bad 3D in the marketplace," Cameron quipped, "they're going to hold back or even threaten the emerging of 3D. People will be confused by differences in quality." The audience doesn't know if there is something wrong with the glasses, the TV or the production.
When asked if existing films should be converted to 3D, Cameron was in favor, but if it's done well. "I think it should be driven by the artist," he opined. If the director is no longer alive, the people that own the library have the right to do it, "particularly if they own the rights to all media." However, not all content can be converted to 3D economically. And "if you use some automated process or some cost-effective process for that type of programming its going to look like crap. It's like colorization looked like crap." At any rate, converted films can't look as good as if you shot it in 3D. "Think of it as sort of 2.8D," he illustrated. Regarding the time needed for a 3D conversion, Cameron guessed that six months to a year were needed "to do it right."
A 3D version of Titanic is in the cards for a release in spring of 2012, 100 years after the sailing of the ship.
As to the burning question of when Avatar is coming out on 3D Blu-ray, he said: "We're not officially announcing it right now but I'm hoping for fall." A new development is that the movie might be rereleased this fall, as there might be untapped demand for the movie in theaters because it lost many 3D screens when Alice in Wonderland opened. He and the studio are talking about putting in additional footage. According to The Hollywood Reporter, there are about 10-12 minutes of extra scenes which were cut relatively late and should be ready to add to a possible extended cut: one scene has to do with Jake Sully's avatar proving himself to the Na'vi people; the other involves a native festival during which tribe member Tsu'tey gets drunk.
In other news, during the Samsung launch event, James Cameron was asked about his future plans. Cameron confirmed that, apart from the 3D Titanic project, his other projects this year involved bringing The Abyss and True Lies to Blu-ray. That doesn't mean that both or any of those movies will be released during 2010, but at least work is going to begin on them this year.
You've got to love it! Not one mention of 3D here so far (except for me!). It's all about brining the movies home on Blu-ray. Alice in Wonderland was a prime example of crappy 3D. Looks like Clash of the Titans will be too. And with how sloppy the studios are with releases, we'll get more crappy 3D than the Avatar's of the world. I applaud Cameron for mentioning the quality of 3D here. This article pretty much tells me, don't buy 3D now as there's no quality content.
@Blu-Me, no that's NOT what he said. He said there is a gap for 3DBD content, as we all know because only a few discs have been announced and they are all tied to TV packages. Right now 3DTV is more focused on the 3D channels, which is what Jim is saying.
But there are TONS of available material. You don't have to look further than the past 3 years in cinemas to know that, and that's not counting the serveral hundred 3D films from the past that would only require minimal preparation as well.
I'm assuming content will begin trickling out in the next 3 months when the big boys get their 3DTVs to market and there will be maybe 20 3DBDs available seperately by Christmas. And just like with BD, the content machine will wind up over the next couple of years as the installed base grows.
Now I understand that for some that are impatient, that's reason enough to stay out of the game. Just as it was reason enough for most people to stay out of High Def Media until relatively recently. But for us early adopters, it's just amazing that we are actually getting something we've always wanted, massively supported, high-quality 3D in the home.
The Abyss! Now that is amazing news! Also agree with whoever said new BD versions of Terminator and T2 need to be put out.
I don't like or care for 3D, but I do more than agree that if it is going to be the next big thing, at least do it 100% right before putting the product out there and calling it "3D" or marketing it as the ultimate experience.
I can't understand people that don't get True Lies. It walks the tightrope between parody and self-aware cheesy popcorn action film so well. I am so looking forward to a decent release of this film and am also very glad that with BD we don't have to worry about the studio having to make a release anamorphic to have it display properly on widescreen sets so we don't have to be concerned on that aspect of The Abyss. Can't wait to own them both on BD.
Cameron doesn't own the Terminator franchise. the first film is owned by MGM, the second is owned by Lionsgate, the last 2 and the TV series are owned by Warner and the franchise as a whole was just recently acquired by some sort of business entity that operates like a mutual fund.
It's up to them to hire James Cameron (and probably Van Ling) for any sort of reissue. That seems pretty unlikely by this point because there is a wealth of material available. The only thing that would probably prompt bringing Jim back would be a 3D conversion.
I think they are going overboard with these 3-D movies. Too much, too fast. Does every movie need to be in 3-D? i don't think so. I can't wait for them to annouce Precious, Seinfeld, Everyone Loves Raymond, The Jerky Boys, Disorderlies, and Too Wong Fu Thank You Julie Newmar in 3-D.
Cameron is not going to wait until Titanic is available in 3d to put it out on Blu-ray. Have you people learned nothing? It will come out on Blu-ray in high-def and everyone will blow their wallets on it, then less than a year later it will be in 3d so everyone can double dip. And don't forget about the extended version that Cameron is waiting to release. That will be third. Ditto for True Lies and Abyss.
Yeah, I don't get the affection for True Lies either. Yeah, it was probably one of the better Arnie films, but Jamie Lee Curtis always seems to bug the shit out of me. I don't know, maybe its her trying to be sexy when she's really not all that, if you know what I mean. And really the only interesting scene in the film is the Harrier jet scene.
Anyway, yeah, it's about time we'll get a full rez'ed copy of The Abyss. That should look great in 1080p. All those interior and exterior shots of the underwater drilling platform. But I'm afraid the 1080p shots of the alien ship and aliens themselves might look a bit bad and reveal the age of the CG as 1080p did with T2 and even The Matrix (with regards to the liquid metal and bullet-time shots.)
Now as for the extended cut of Avatar. I don't think Cameron was talking about a theatrical re-release of it. I believe he was just talking about the Fall BD release of it as being extended.
Did anyone have to wear something extra on your ear when movies went from silent to sound? NO.
Did anyone have to wear something extra on their eyes when movies went from B&W to color? NO.
Does anyone have to wear something extra on their eyes when movies go from 2D to 3D? YES, and until that changes, 3D will not be the next evolution or widely adopted.
Sadly, I regarded Cameron in a higher rank, but after giving us a $500 million story flop, and shoving 3D in our throats, the respect that I had in him is gone. Like somebody said in an earlier post, he got the George Lucas syndrome. I hope the 'fanboys' start claiming (like said in another post) that he raped their childhood by adding more shots in the future re-release.
Oh, boy. Another version of AVATAR? Looks like the Blu-ray will be coming out a little bit longer than usual. It would be good if James Cameron provides the original and Extended on one release. I don't care much about the 3D. Just don't have us double dip!
Also, if you're reading this, Mr. Cameron, I (or "we") demand a new restoration of "The Abyss".
I agree with mcvkale's comments, 3D is definitely a fad and only people with nothing better to do with their money will buy this crap. As for Cameron, all the SOB is a frigging money whore, re-releasing Avatar theatrically just for an extra 12 minutes is ludicrous and releasing Titanic in 2012 is idiotic to say the least. By the way, I think you people all forgot how much money it cost just to buy the 3D glasses, wake up and smell the crap!!! All 3D is just another ploy to juice the uneducated consumer.
By the way, am I the only one who has noticed the jump in the prices of new release BDs. On that point, just imagine how much a 3D BD will cost.
Let me add, both True Lies and The Abyss are pretty bad movies, therefore I don't understand all the excitement.
Bravo James Cameron.its like i said once before you have to get the Director or the producers in remastering some of the movies in 3D. I for one never like when they went back and colorize classic
films can you Imagine them going back and redoing movies like the Third Man or Citizen Kane in Color it would be crap big Time.One of the things i respect about Cameron's Avatar is the the 3D
images in the Movies is not done where you have things jabbing at your eyes.As he said its about the story so if the story is not good.3D is a waste of time.Look at what most of the people that saw Avatar and loved it it was the story that drove the film's success. And on the release of the Abyss and True Lies coming to BluRay here is hoping we get them by Christmas 2010
Thanks James Cameron... for taking a stand for us Filmmakers like my self. we must Retain the right our rights to our Films.
I love The Abyss and at the time the wave sequence was very very cool, but i hope they redo it to make it look real in today's super realistic requirement age. It could probs be done by one guy working on his iMac at home these days! This is one of a small number of cases where updating the movie is a good thing.
mvckalel, you are a little late in your prediction. All you have to do is look at the numbers to see that 3D is already the next big thing. Money talks and people are crowding into 3D films despite having to wear something to watch it. What remains to be seen is whether or not this will translate into success in the home environment. Maybe, maybe not, but even I, a legally blind guy who gets nothing out of 3D, am looking at saving up for a 3D TV. Why? Because the CEs are continuing to work on improvement of 2D performance on their displays, so they are likely to get sales from the consumers interested in 3D and consumers interested in a new plasma or LCD that has improved performance over last years models. Now, with consumers like me, selling a display to me doesn't guarantee 3D BD sales since I could care less, but you can bet the transition to a single SKU will happen quickly so even those that don't have or don't care about 3D will still be buying 3D BDs. I doubt there will be many boycotters. The 2D versions will have the same VQ they would have on a separate release, so boycotting would pretty pointless. So, I think the odds of success are a lot greater than many are thinking. Consumer surveys from various sources both by the CEs themselves and by various publications and industry watch groups show definite consumer interest. The technology is set up in a way that will guarantee some adoption from consumers not interested in using the 3D functionality of their new equipment and software. Even as someone with no use for 3D, this sounds like a well thought out plan for success to me. I don't think it will be very long before all new displays offer 3d to those that want it and I would not be surprised to see single SKU 3D BD releases during or even before this holiday season.
That's not what he said huh? "That lack of 3D content for the home can't be filled by movies, because "we can't make them fast enough. So it's going to have be filled by live production or near-live production."" I'll take movies all day long thank you. I don't need TV shows in 3D. And for those that didn't read this...And "if you use some automated process or some cost-effective process for that type of programming its going to look like crap. It's like colorization looked like crap." Cash grab city for the studios. The home 3D consumer is going to get pure $hit in 3D for at least 2 years because they will just do some automated process on it and be done with it. And there are "TONS" of 3D films? Yeah, there's a "TON" alright...http://www.3dmovielist.com/list.html If all you want are animated 3D movies, then you are in heaven. If not, either put up with the crap that will come spewing or wait for the Avatar's come, which will be 2 years before those come in any solid QTY.
I'm surprised Titanic hasn't been announced. Make a crap load of money now and then a crap load more when the 3D version comes out. Toy Story has the right idea releasing the 2D now and probably the 3D next year or the year after.
I'm not really in favor of turning 2D movies into 3D. Leave them the way they were. To me it's like colorizing a black and white film. In the case of 3D, the technology wasn't there and a lot of older movies were shot in black and white because using color was cost prohibitive. Let the 2D movies stand as they are. Look what happened to colorization, that should be a lesson.
Time & time again I read comments from people complaining about the prices for Blu-Rays. "That's $5 too high for me!" "I'll pay $24.99, but not $26.99!"
Now, with 3D, you're looking at $150 - $250 for EACH set of glasses, plus the movies are sure to cost more because of the "technology" involved.
Some folks won't mind forking over the extra cash on occasion at the theater, but with this economy, I highly doubt the masses will be in a hurry to upgrade any time soon. The majority of households haven't even upgraded to LCD, DLP, or Plasma, let alone LEDs.
A lot of you are pointing to Cameron's colorization comment. First of all, I don't entirely dissagree with the sentiment, but colorization has come a LONG way since the 80's when it was first deployed by Ted Turner. Check out the colorized version of Night of the Living Dead for example. If you didn't know that film was shot on black and white, you wouldn't be able to tell by watching it.
But since none of us have even seen a film converted to 3D, it's probably a bit early to start bitching. Go see Clash of the Titans, then come on here, throw yourself to the ground in spasms and scream in a shrill voice about how somehow the universe is caving in on you and your bunghole is sore.
I really do wonder if all you whiner-babies are the red-bitches with a new evil empire to rail against because you sound EXACTLY like the anti-blu-ray rants of old.
blah, blah, blah blah BLAH ! 3D is a joke. Avatar hit it good and here we go with what is going to be a FAD ! Cameron said it himself...it took years to get Avatar to look like that and personally I don't get it? Why pay an average of $8 more to see a few effects different? And I had to pay an extra $2 to RENT THE DAM GLASSES ! When I saw Avatar in IMAX 3D, I was not impressed. I know I will NEVER do it again so thanks for that. Now we got Panasonic and Samsung fighting over the Avatar 3D blu ray to be packaged with their TV's and we all know why. It's the only one that will sell. 3D is here entirely to soon. I hope NOBODY buys this crap and they have to cut the prices down to nothing to sell them. And oh yeah...$150 for ONE PAIR of 3D glasses? Give me a break ! Get over Avatar and for god sakes...3D Titanic? WTF is that about? What would be the 3D in that? The ice berg coming at you at 10 MPH? Are you kidding me? Get to work on True Lies and The Abyss cause thats $40 in your pocket James from me already. Not to mention the millions others that share the same sentiment !
I equate Camerans love with 3D to Zemeckiz's love with Mo cap, they both seem to have gotten bored with conventional filmaking and need some sort of gimick or new technology to re-ignite their passion with the medium
It's a shame though because unlike Lucas' devotion to advancing CGI in the late 80's early 90's i can't see 3D or mo cap actually benefitting film
Since we're talking Jim and Fox, what about ALIENS, guys (and gals)?
No one here even mentioned it. All Jim's movies are on Fox and so is the Alien (and of course also Predator) franchise.
I would be excited if Aliens came out soon in stunning picture and audio quality, as well as all other movies by Jim. Personally, I like The Abyss the least of his works. It feels so out dated. True Lies is simple, but also simple fun. Titanic is a must. As of now I own the 4 disc deluxe edition.
And of course, I DEMAND that we get nothing short of impeccable blu-ray editions of the Terminator movies!!!
Those out now are simply not good enough. Rather, they are embarassingly poor.
Let me give you some examples from a couple of years ago before their ridiculous assertions were proven wrong beyond any measure imaginable:
"Blu-ray will never catch on. It's a fad, it's a gimmick. It will never be more than niche!"
"Nobody CARES! Who demanded Blu-ray? Nobody, that's who! It's all a ploy by the studios to get you to rebuy your DVD collection!"
"Why would anyone want to see every bead of sweat on somebody's face?"
"Does HD change the story? No? Then why would I want that?"
"Why would anyone pay thousands of dollars for an HDTV when they can get a regular TV for a couple hundred?"
"So let me get this straight. In order to watch Blu-ray, I have to buy a really expensive new TV, a new receiver AND a several hundred dollar disc player? And that's not including the newfangled cords I have to get! There's another couple hundred bucks! So all in, it will cost me like $5,000.00 to watch a Blu-ray movie? HA HA HA HA! NOBODY is going to do that! Are you stupid?"
"How do you spell FAIL? B-L-U-R-A-Y! This Will SINK Sony! Sell your stock while you can because Blu-ray is right behind Betamax!"
So were those town criers right? Did they accurately predict the future of home entertainment? So what makes you think these anti-3D people are any more right?
The FACT of the matter is, you're going to be buying into 3D technology whether you want to or not because it's getting integrated into future equipment. Eventually nobody is going to have to worry about "going" 3D because they'll already have everything they need to do it. If you already have any of the thousands of 3D TVs on the market and a PS3, you already have everything you need right now. In 5 years time, already owning everything you need for 3D will be the norm, not the exception.
It happens very simply. Need a new TV? More and more models will feature 3D as a feature, just like 120hz or USB or Netflix streaming, etc. Need a new Blu-ray player? 3D will be a feature on more and more players. TA DA, you're set for 3D!
@fettastic: I understand your comparison between 3D and Blu-ray. However, I don't think the comparison is quite apples to apples. Assuming it's done right, high definition provides a clear improvement over DVD. Something in 1080p comes closer to the original film image than the same movie in 480i. It's like using windshield wipers in the rain. The benefit is immediate, evident, objective, measurable. Not the case with 3D, which changes not *what* you see buy *how* you see it. You will never get 100% agreement that 3D improves the image, or even the movie-going experience. It's a fun effect, but only time will tell if people will get used to it. We all know how it fared the last couple of times it was trotted out.
Finally, The Abyss & True Lies 16x9!! I can't believe Fox has waited 13 years into DVD and haven't released them after all Cameron has done. Non anamorphic DVD's should be some of the 1st to be considered for Blu-ray. I can only hope Cameron gives us the option to open the frame a little since he shot The Abyss in 35mm and matted it for 2.35. It would be cool to have it fill the screen in the water scenes like The Dark Knight at various times.
I'm not comparing Blu-ray to 3D per se, I'm comparing the reactions of some to oncoming technology.
Blu-ray has always been a choice, yet many threw fits decrying it as some sort of showdown with a faceless corporate enemy trying to steal their money for soemthing they didn't want. That is EXACTLY how they are reacting to 3D.
The benefits of 3D or 1080p and whether they are tangible or whatever, is immaterial from my argument. There are always going to be people that say they don't see or care about the benefits of 1080p, whether they exist or not.
Let me give you an example. I bought my dad a Blu-ray player for Christmas. We plugged it in and started watching a BD on it. He said it was "too real" and stopped it from being a movie and turned it into something weird. To him, 1080p was a "gimmick" that altered the way he has always viewed movies. He didn't like it. He wanted to watch his movies they way he always has, kinda soft and very flat. to HIM, that's what movies are supposed to be and he didn't experience any benefit by the added resolution and...wait for it...."3D effect". Remember that term often used when describing how cool a BD's transfer was? Why is that a bad thing now?
Anyway, my dad now LIKES Blu-ray and thinks it looks really cool. The moral of the story is, people are freaked out by change. They adapt eventually.
As for whether or not adding a Z plane to cinematography is a benefit or not to composition, I don't see how it could possibly hurt. As illustrated by Avatar, it certainly has the potential to add a lot to the movie.
Will films overdo the 3D effect at times to capitalize on it? Of course. Just like the 60's went batshit with color, that's bound to happen. But I think there is a long history of 3D to draw on so studios have a better idea now about what works and what doesn't.
Eventually I am very confident that 3D will become very commonplace and people might even feel ripped off if a new movie is coming out that doesn't offer it as an option. I see 3D as a stepping stone to holographic entertainment.
And I have no doubt in my mind that when holographic displays are introduced, the very same people will scream bloody murder about how the corporate evildoers are forcing this new gimmick down their throats to rob them of their money.
"I just replaced my whole movie collection with 3D BD and now I'm supposed to upgrade everything to interactive holograms? IT's A GIMMICK! Nobody wants this! It's a PLOY! It's TOO SOON for holograms!"
The Abyss is the one I'm waiting on - I can't believe this never got an anamorphic release anywhere... I just hope it does have the theatrical version on it. I actually prefer it to the extended DC with the first grader environmental message
Ok so Aliens is coming out this year. AvP and AvP-R are already out, as well as two crappy transfers/editions of the Predator movies. Hence, they will need to REALLY make an effort to realease ALL the eight movies onto SPLENDID BD editions, in some kind of box set.
I have the Alien/Predator Special Monster Box (the Japanese AvP PR box), so I have HIGH demands and expectations...
Sort of off topic, but still.
To kind of quote John Connor: "It's a priority to me!" :P
True Lies! 'Bout time! I sold my letterboxed DVD a long time ago and don't miss it a bit, just the movie! Also, I'm not too enthusiastic about 3D except for theaters. I'm just now upgrading to blu and I'm not ready for 3D already.
Can't wait for AVATAR! Putting a movie in 3D is stupid, because you have to wear thos damn glasses. I would like 3D, if we didn't have wear anything special for it. I'm not going to wear some dumb glasses for mulitple hours! Plus 3D HDTV's are expensive and a waste. I'm not paying more money just so I can wear some stupid glasses on my face.
I definitely would love The Abyss on Blu-Ray. I still have the old non-anamorphic DVD, and I actually was going to watch it a few weeks ago but turned it off after a few minutes because of how bad the PQ was. I remembered it looking a lot better, but that was back before anyone actually owned HDtvs.
@repete66211 People seem to have gotten used to 3D just fine at the movies. Maybe it's because current 3D technology available for theater presentation allows us to see natural looking colors and a clearer picture. What people have not been so crazy about is the current 3D experience they get when they buy the same movie they saw at the theater and it looks like crap at home with their cardboard 3D glasses and non-3D televisions. I look forward to getting a 3D experience which will supposedly be very close to what I saw at the theater. I don't think people will have much trouble getting used to that once they go the 3D route at home.
if the movie is FILMED specifically for 3d i'm ok with that but converting them to 3d is a ridiculous move
HOWEVER, i don't care if the blu-ray is 3d or not, i will NEVER watch it in 3d, so it better be 2d. just like how i'd go see a 2d screening over 3d, not to mention the higher ticket prices for them. re-releasing the movie less than a year in theaters is just FOX's way of ripping people off when they should just work on getting the extended dvd/blu-rays out sooner because all the smart people will most likely wait for that one and not buy the one this april
I agree that some films can be converted into 3D, if it's done right indeed.
Also depends on the film or the scene how much of it can or should be in 3D.
Cause, for example, when only subtle or no 3D is needed, you don't want to be swimming in the 3D-image.
I think 'The Matrix' would be awesome in 3D, just the bullets alone would be awesome.
And then 'The Matrix Reloaded' in IMAX 3D. lol
But anyway, 'Titanic' in 3D?... I don't know man... seems a little silly to me.
I mean, what should be 3D? The ship coming at your face or... Kate Winslet's breasts?...
Well, I guess Cameron would know how to do it right then.
Which would mean it couldn't be too excessive for this one.
But definitely want to see it on the big screen some time, cause I didn't and I think it's a beautiful film.
Well, I guess I'll just have to see what it's like when it's out... cause that time I don't want to miss that Titan being actually Titanic.
Rather than on a Tiny TV or projection-screen...
I definetely want TITANIC on Blu! and hopefuly we can have it on 1.78 aspect ratio like AVATAR I don't like the black bars on the screen so that way we can appreciate the beauty of the ship. Hopefuly we can have'em before 2012!!!