After weeks of speculation and rumors, Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced Avatar on Blu-ray. As James Cameron himself revealed a month ago (see blu-ray.com, February 18), the release date has been set for Thursday, April 22 (Earth Day). In a first for a major theatrical release on Blu-ray, the studio will go Superbit on James Cameron's megablockbuster and release it without any special features of any sort, in order to maximize audio and video quality. A DVD will be included with the BD.
Avatar producer Jon Landau explained to the Los Angeles Times that they told Fox that "we wanted to do something really special and reach for the best presentation of any film in the history of the format." Landau adds, "Everything that is put on a disc takes up room – the menus, the extras, the trailers and studio promotions – and we got rid of all of that so we could give this movie the best picture and sound possible." Extra time and care have been devoted to this project, with the video compression sessions taking six weeks, as opposed to the usual two weeks for a typical theatrical release.
A multidisc "ultimate version" Blu-ray is planned for November. Details will be given during a press event in March 23, which will be attended by Landau and Cameron.
Regarding a 3D release, Fox sources again denied reports that it would come out later this year. The Digital Bits hazards a guess that it will probably come "in a third dip a year or two from now", once there is a market for 3D on Blu-ray.
Don't you hate it when the studio's try to pull the wool over our eyes and make out they're doing something special for us, when in fact, they're just being lazy. They could do a 'superbit' disc, and still give us a second disc of extras. But they know people will double dip on this, so they basically just see it as a way to screw over the fans.
What the point of getting this release without and extras whatsoever?
I don't think 50GB is only dedicated for the movie alone. What a lame release. The movie has been on my wish list for a very long time. I guess I have to wait until November to get the ultimate edition.
I will technically do a double dip just kind of like I did at the theaters. Watched it local then went to Imax. This I will rent to see how good the pq and sq is then I will buy when they do they full edition. See double dip.
I completely agree with BellesPrince, this is just a lame excuse to have people double dip. They could easily have a 2nd disc dedicated to supplements! I have never heard of such a ridiculous way to rip people off! Indiana Jones sort of did it, and so did Iron Man, but those losers are too greedy to do it in a similar way. What a sham!
They are certainly not going to see my money for this joke!
The studio heads must think we're a bunch of idiots.
Maximize audio and video quality? 50GBs worth?
What's the use of the Blu-Ray disc then?
Might as well upgrade to a 100GB disc.
This is money-grabbing at it's finest by Fox and Cameron.
There is no excuse whatsoever either than the fact they know people will double dip for special features.
I say boycott the damn disc and teach them a lesson.
HAHAHA, I'm with you guys, the studio is making it out like they are giving us a real treat with a "superbit" blu-ray version. LOL. All they are doing is wanting everyone to triple dip on this one. They will probably wait until their is nice market penetration with 3D blu-ray players and tv before releasing the 3D version.
I completely agree with everyone here. I call shenanigans on "we got rid of all of that so we could give this movie the best picture and sound possible". That's what extra discs are for.
Steps to Bleed Dead Horses Dry, or: Take Advantage of Everyone and Make More Money Than a Small Country Under Dictatorship:
1) Titanic Theatrical release, 2D
2) Avatar in theaters, 3D and 2D
3) Release Stripped Avatar Blu-Ray
4) Rerelease Avatar in 3D in Theaters after summer blockbuster glut, with added footage
5) Rerelease Blu-Ray with features before Holiday Season
6) Rerelease 3D Blu-Ray with or without added footage
7) Rerelease Titanic in 3D, theatrical
8) Ancillary Blu-Ray and Home Video releases of 3D and 2D versions of both films, with or without extra footage.
9) Sequels to Avatar and all subsequent home video packages.
It's kind of funny how everyone is acting like they want the Blu-ray for the special features. Isn't the point of a home video release so you can have the FILM itself ? They are called BONUS features for a reason. I mean, sure it would be cool to see some of the stuff that went into making the film, but when it comes down to it, I'm going to be buying the Avatar Blu-ray for Avatar, not for the Making of Avatar.
^ Perhaps because some people want a release that provides them with a quality release of the film and extensive features on how they did it. After all, James Cameron has been going on for years how the technology is so innovative and it's a landmark film. For a film so unique it SHOULD have comprehensive quality features that reflect the status of the film.
In this case, rental for me. I will hand over my cash when a version which actually seems worth the money comes out. I am very specific when it comes to PQ and AQ, but that alone will not be enough to make me purchase this title. They're certainly creating something unique - the barest of bare bones editions ever. Definitely a title to celebrate!
Jim, old buddy - you had better hope that the transfer does not have a single hint of DNR, EE or banding anywhere or by God will you feel the wrath of the videophiles and audiophiles - the very people you are trying to appeal to!
I wouldn't be too surprised if the ultimate edition in November doesn't contain the super-bit version of the film just so there is incentive to buy both versions. While I understand the problems with double dipping, I feel that certain titles are worth it to me....Avatar is one of them. I have no problem spending $20 in April so I can watch it for 6-7 months before the Ultimate Edition comes out. I can always sell it come November if I no longer need it.
It's a shame that this version will probably be the "cropped" 2.35 widescreen version and not the more open (less heads getting lopped) 1.78 (16:9 like our TVs) version. Unfortunately, in the case of this movie (and some of the Harry Potter films) 16:9 AR would actually show more relavant info, than a be a "director's intent" thing. After all 3D was Cameron's main goal here and it is obvious to see from trailers (including the one above) that framing is very cramped in the wider 2.35 "cropping". Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait for the 3D version and hope they don't go out of their way to crop it just for the "cool" effect. I'm for OAR all the way. It's just in this case I think we would have been served better it they had given us the more open 3D AR. It was possible...
If the PQ/AQ is truly "maximized" for this release, then I'm perfectly happy with no extras. Knowing Fox, it's too bad we couldn't get a "BD only" release without the DVD, because I'm sure it's going to cost $28+ even on Amazon!
They are telling you that there will be 3 versions total, so I don't know why you are pissed. It's not like they are releasing one version then secretly releasing another one 2 months later.
And maybe you people should do the damn math instead of just saying that 50GB is enough for special features and the main feature. The movie is 160 minutes. The BD is 50GB. 50GB (50,000MB)/160min (9600s) = 5.2MB/s = 41.66Mb/s. This is just the video. So 40Mb/s is the max on BD and they have to include the audio which is around 4Mb/s. This will guarantee a very high bitrate for the video and audio so I am all for it.
When they say a DVD will be included with the Blu-ray is that a DVD with Avatar on it or special features? I'm thinking the movie.
Day one purchase for me, and I'm sure many others will cave in -- despite the likelihood of the studio invoking a triple dip to infinity. From a business standpoint, wouldn't you guys do the same? I would, because it's logical.
Since this movie wasn't the best in my books, I'm not going to need November's extra-laden disc. To see what? What we already know about how the movie was made, a bunch of green screens and people dressed in leotards hooked up to computers acting the same parts that you've seen already in the movie? I'll just stick with April's Steelbook (you know there'll be one) release and be done with it.
I don't think anyone here is complaining about the fact that they're not putting any extra features on the film disc, I can't imagine anyone not wanting this to be presented with the best video/sound quality possible. But this could've just as well been a 2-disc Blu-ray release with a "superbit" film disc and another disc with just bonus material. That would've still been true to all the things they talk about in press release, and it wouldn't have been the obviously greedy thing to do.
It's nice that they give us the heads up that there will be a fully featured release down the line, but you can imagine there'll be a lot of people who aren't geeks that read Blu-ray websites and are in the know who will buy it when it comes out and then be disappointed (and possibly double dip) when the next release comes out.
I agree with De Niro I rarely watch the extras - I want the movie in the best possible P/Q & A/Q!!! Out of my 140 BRD's I don't have that many years of my life that I want to spend watching stuff I don't care about - and for me it actually takes away from the movie experience sometimes!
i gotta say cameron & landau are both pretty much foxes. i guess they just wanna cash in the momentum now without any extra n rerelease it with extras and later with 3d without extra then...release it 3d with extras...n finally a director cut...perhaps later a redux release or what not. look at T2, the amount of times it was fried with the same oil....but different spices.
i certainly reccomend not to buy this n wait for probably a year or 2 when this bunch of capitalism hunchos get their heads right. if they think they need to save the best for last, i hope their last will not be as good when the time comes. jez look at the HD live action cameras that they use to do reference edits. i believe they are tonnes of features that they can put in. it's sad that we heard JC talk about global issues, human greed, etc but he himself has succumb to all the sins that a human can make. after all we r all human...u r forgiven.
I thoroughly enjoyed Avatar, but I don't think the movie was good enough to buy twice, so I'll hold off until November. Unlike Lord of the Rings, at least we know the special edition will be coming out later the same year.
Yeah will pick this up for sure,not bothered about the extras laden version in Nov. I find the extras on most new films quite boring to be honest. If i see another FX guy sitting next to a computer telling us how they did a shot i'm gonna shoot myself ! i might get the 3D version down the road but that will be some way off.
The science of "How can we screw the customer and take their money." There's no reason they couldn't do that with disc 1 and have features on disc 2. They just want to get the people who love this movie to buy it several times, because they know they will. I, however, will not.
I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. It's not like Cameron is coming directly to your house and forcing you to buy the bare-bones copy in April. The studio has been very upfront about having 2 versions being released this year. Wait until November for the special edition if want.
LADIES & GENTLEMEN.... You are not in Kansas any more Foxs and Cameron is going to take your cash and buy jujube BEANS. SUPERBIT Ha.Is that not a Trade Mark of Sony. Will this Version Be DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO 7.1 NO and will the video master be the same as the version coming in November.I can bet it will be the same quality.What a Crock Don;t get me Wrong I Loved Avartar and Think it will Change the way movies are made and presented.But to lie say that this version being released in April will be SUPERBIT this and audio will be the best I say Bull. Its best to say we Don't have the time to Release a version with all the extras so here is a taste till then. and offer some kind of rebate to those who purchased the first one.... PS I do watch all the Extras on the disc when the studios put them on the Disc..
You call yourselves Film Buffs, but don't care about extras?? Sometimes, I like the extras even better than the Film itself. It's also one more area that sets the HT experience apart from the Theater one. They are not going to get my money. It was a terribly one dimensional film anyway.
So much for 3-D blu-ray taking off then? I mean, shouldn't this film be one of the flagships of the 3-D movement? I'm confused by decisions like this, but whatever. I probably won't own any 3-D equipment myself for another 2 years or so. I'll wait on this movie until then.
thanks to avmagazine.it , they're trying to bring dts hd italian track into these edition of Avatar.
im sharing these because we all know that Fox is only using dts hd for english audio track, so folks just move and get in touch with Fox pretending audio Hd for yours language too!
If you buy this version, you are simply a fool. I don't even think they will wait a full year for another release—can anyone say "Watchmen?" Someone posted a thread at another website asking how long it would take for a studio to use the "SUPERBIT" marketing approach. There is supposed to be plenty of room on a BD to accommodate the film and a ton of supplements—and if not, what about a second Blu-ray with all the extras instead of a worthless DVD version? A feature packed release will arrive by Christmas and you'll be able to buy one of these used for less than $10... If it wasn't for 3-D this picture would have been less than mediocre. For once, the Academy Awards got it right. There is nothing memorable about "Avatar" beyond its technical and ballooning box office achievements. I'll pass.
Here's something to chew on....Fox didn't actually say it would be a 50GB disc. So while it may be true that the disc is "maximized", it's possible that it's only a 25GB disc!
It's just STUPID not to put the 3D version out this year. Talk about missing a MASSIVE opportunity to get 3D into homes! Instead they want to put the cart before the horse and have people buy 3D equipment with no frakkin' 3D to run on it!
What happened to that story about Panasonic and Samsung in a bidding war for Avatar 3D to come bundled with their 3DTVs? Is that for next year? Is Fox maybe saying that you won't be able to buy Avatar 3D this year....except for the special bundled edition coming with one of those TVs? That could explain why Cameron is so sure it's coming out this year and the studio is so sure it isn't, because they are talking about 2 different things.
Being that I don't ever watch special features, I am glad to hear that they are putting the time and effort to give us the best possible quality. That's what I care about the most and that's what blu ray needs to be about:)
Immediately after I finished atching the movie in theatres, I wanted to turn on the bonus features. Unfortunately, the theatre, much like this first release won't have any bonus features. Man. Now I have to wait until November to own Avatar.
No double dip for me - until I upgrade to 3D that is :P
It'll be a rental for me. Everyone I know who's gone to see it has said the same thing, beautiful to look at, but not much of a story to go with it. I'll rent it first, then if I think it's worth buying, I'll wait untill Nov. and pick up someone's 'Superbit' version on the cheap.
YAY YAY YAY! (Bangs pots and pans together.) Avatards rejoice!
Why is the studio milking the market? Gee, I don't know...Perhaps because people paid to see a mediocre movie multiple times, acted like 3D and CGI were just invented and seem to think Avatar is the messiah of movies. You made the bed people, now lie in it.
gamma626 said: "Oh, so now you guys DO want extras? What happened to the three plus years of posts saying "we want the best quality"?"
See the difference between Blu-ray and HD DVD (which you are obviously still crying over), is that BD can provide BOTH. HD DVD could only provide one or the other. That's why only something like 25% of HD DVD's had lossless audio and nearly all their extras were in SD.
So yeah....we want both quality and extras. This is brain surgery?
This is very dangerous for the studio. Once people get a glimpse of AVATAR in 2-D its shortcomings (story, pace, performance, even some f/x) will be harder to overlook. Consider how much replay value this will really have. I saw the film in digital 3-D. I'm not going to recapture that here and the wow factor faded before the movie was even over.
There is no such thing as Superbit Bluray. That is is horse s h i t. Just look at King Kong a 200 min long movie and a PiP track along with menu. At that transfer is reference quality. This is a load of crock
I will bet the 3D version will be a special edition. Fox probably hasn't had time to do the special features they wanted to, remember Cameron has been very busy with awards season and before that promoting the film. That said, they should have waited until they could complete a 2nd disc of features but looks like they felt rushing it out was better (I disagree with that strategy).
Who knows, maybe I am wrong but it seems to me Cameron would want to be involved with the extras on this. I am patient and will wait. I'll rent it. When I bought my first Blu-ray player, I promised myself if there is a clue that the studio would be releasing a better edition later (like Lord of the Rings and this film), I will wait this time, after double dipping so much on laserdiscs and DVD's, unless the specs are so tremendous (bit rates, ect) that is is worth it.
We can complaint all we want ,but people are going to buy this film, most people are not gonna wait until November or don't know there is another release in November, and most likely the price will easily be over $ 25.00.I agree with most of you, the are going to milk this cow George Lucas stile. Glad we got this website, at least we can vent some disappointment and then go buy the movie.
I have mixed feelings on this one. They are releasing the film to get it out there, and I have no doubt it will look and sound fantastic. The ultimate edition will no doubt be the extended cut plus features. One reason to wait on its release is the planned re-release in theaters with the extended cut. If you could already get it on home video, it will eat into the ticket sales of seeing something new. So essentially Fox could have just held off the release entirely until November and release the special edition as the first release and people would complain about the long wait, or go this route.
As for the eventual 3D release, that only matters if you are going to actually watch it in 3D. I can see them holding off a bit on that for maturity sake, but I have a feeling with all this exclusive bundling stuff going on, it might get scooped up in that.
At least Fox had the decency to say right up front what they are doing and not trying to dupe you. It is up to you how you spend your money.
I'm thinking I am going to wait to find ot about what bonus features will be on the November release. Normally bonus features don't have much replay value to me but on this film I think they will. And added footage to the film will also be nice.
"I hope james Cameron burns alive in a jet fuel fire. I really do"
I know... the guy made an entertaining movie that many love, is putting it out on blu-ray only 4 months after theatrical release, and announced a month in advance what other versions are planned (and when they're going to come out).
I'm all for maximizing bit rates for video and audio. If this film-only "Superbit" release actually does utilize the maximum bit rate that the BD spec allows, it should be THE reference disc to end 'em all. I'm perfectly fine with having a film-only release on April 22, as it's much earlier than I would have expected. (The film will likely still be playing in theaters.) At least we were told about the ultimate edition in advance....
well I will be buying the barebones release in april because i loved the film. I have seen lots of behind the scenes clips on the making of the film on the internet and watched countless interviews with cast and crew so ill only rebuy if the ultimate edition contains the extended cut of the film.
There have been titles with 96/24 already, and higher. See Akira. I wouldn't hold your breath on either 96/24 or 7.1, as this film wasn't produced with either. It will most likely be a 48/24 5.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack. I will guess that at least 5-10 GB of the disc will go unused as Avatar was shot digitally and is an impeccably clean image, so even with its runtime it shouldn't be very hard to encode. I'm actually surprised they took twice as long to do the encode work considering how easy it should have been.
Does releasing a maxed-out AV, "superbit" version somehow preclude the inclusion of a bonus disc? If so, thank goodness Criterion (see Benjamin Button), Paramount (see Zodiac), et. al. weren't aware of it.
its very possible for one movie to fill up the whole 50gb or very close to it. if you figure the java pop up menu,all the fbi warnings and subtitles. also if they go with a dts-ma 7.1 it will be close to 40gb. watchmen was 186 mins with dts-ma 5.1 and was 38gb just the movie file.im game for only the movie on the disc. special features aren't that important to me.. but they are releasing the special features on a dvd disc. overall im game for them to hit the market with no special features
Are they rereleasing this dam thing or what, because this looks like the last time I'll be able to see it in 3D and i've never seen it before is it really that good, but if so I could wait till late summer or fall
atwistedclown2003 Watchmen from warner was slightly over compressed and used a lower bitrate and squeezed on the extras as well.
Paramount did the directors cut on two disk with all the extras on one disk and the film on another.
Film at 186mins (44.98 GB the movie file alone is in size) with a Just 3 audio tracks, One Dolby True HD track and two aditional english tracks only also just the menu and standard paramount opening and they were able to get on a BD50 with an overall video bitrate of 26.6MBps video and audio 3.42Mbps. Avatar is slightly shorted so we should see a higher bitrate. Also no PIP was included.
God I hope its ratio is 2.35:1 with those lovley black borders (and that I am serious about). The way the 2D version was meant to be seen. Before I get asked Yes I realy prefer the 2.35:1 ratio more then the 1.78/1.85:1 ratio.
I very rarely watch the extras especially "how it was made" as for me it ruins the "magic" of the movie. However, I am interested in an extended cut. I hope that the November issue will have the same picture and sound quality as the movie only release though.
I am really hoping for the 2.4:1 as well. I just wish he hadn't gone and shot the "extra IMAX" aspect ratio up to 1.78:1. I totally understand why they are doing that now, so that they can show "even more" on the home screen. I just think when you shoot your movie in 1.78:1, you end up with a TV show. The whole point of the 2.4:1 was to extend into your peripheral vision. It changed the way you framed your subjects and blocked your shots. When you "cheat" the vertical up to 1.78:1, you end up framing your subjects near the edges and you lose the peripheral "extra".
Everman, while I agree w/ you, it does not matter what aspect ratio screen you have at home. The simple minded 1.78 apologists fail to understand that principle. Instead, they naively, egocentrically think that filmmakers & films should revolve around the fixed 1.78 aspect ratio of their TVs.
However, the intended aspect ratio for "Avatar" is 2.35. Otherwise, James Cameron & DP Mauro Fiore would have composed the film for 1.78/1.85 general release. And the filmmakers had every opportunity to do so, since they shot "Avatar" in 1080p/24 HDCAM format, which has a full frame aspect ratio of 1.78 that closely matches the 1.85 flat release print format. But they optimally composed "Avatar" for 2.35, as its general release prints are 2.35 scope.
Thanks, Twentieth Century Fox and James Cameron, for letting us know in advance about what to expect for AVATAR Blu-ray. As Titanic was first a bare-bones DVD and then became a Three Disc Special Edition years later, this will happen to AVATAR, but in less than a year. SAVE YOUR MONEY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UNTIL THE REAL DEAL COMES OUT!
I seriously dont get why people complain so much. they are announcing that the other release will be released later so it isnt like they're tricking us into getting this version then hit us with the ultra version. like i said before some people only want the film and that will be the people who pick it up april 22nd. people who want to see the actors on green screen and how they made the dreadlocks the way they are then suck it up and just wait. why boycott this when it's very clear that another release will be done?
I would rather pay $5 less if they made a version that was BLU-RAY only. I do not want a DVD version of the movie, only a BLU-RAY. Will be renting this title. This will be the first Superbit title released on BLU-RAY. That is good news, I hope other titles get the Superbit treatment in the future.
LAME, although I normally don't watch special features on movies this is one of the few films that i'm very interested in seeing the production process. There were so many new technologies used in this film and I for one would love to see how they work and how Jim 'n Friends (aka the whole cast/crew) made this movie possible
All you people complaining that you're gonna be "forced" to double dip need to get over it; it's not like they haven't already said a better version is coming in November. Is your life really gonna suck that much more if you skip this release and just wait seven months for the one you actually want?
Also for all you posters on the first page you have your info wrong.
The current Blu-Ray DISC format is 33gb total. WE DO NOT HAVE 50GB DISCS YET!
Go read wikipedia about blu-ray format.
All current players sold retail at stores today only read 33gb discs, if they released 50gb discs, only internet-capable blu-ray set-top boxes would be able to upgrade their firmware to read 50gb discs. All older blu-ray players would be unable to read 50gb discs. It is for this reason that we do not yet have 50gb discs.