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Blu-ray Dominates HD Sales

Posted August 31, 2007 01:01 PM by Josh Dreuth

Blu-ray DiscNew data from Home Media Research shows that Blu-ray is continuing to lead in high definition media sales. As of August 5th, the top 10 best selling high definition movies are all available on Blu-ray, and half of those exclusive to the format. Warner Brother's '300' leads the pack, followed by 'The Departed', 'Casino Royale', 'Planet Earth', and 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest'.

Noticeably absent from the list is Universal who did not have a title which sold enough copies to break into the top 20. Paramount made it to 17th with their release of 'Babel', but if there wasn't a Blu-ray version of the title, it would have fallen short making the list.


Source: Home Media Magazine | Permalink | United States [Country settings]

News comments (115 comments)



Mote
  Aug 31, 2007
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YES!!!

Avalanche219
  Aug 31, 2007
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Nice!!

TorpedoShockwave
  Aug 31, 2007
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Go Blu-Ray!!!

Maxell
  Aug 31, 2007
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Go Blu!!!

AaronDodd07
  Aug 31, 2007
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ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT BLADES OF GLORY WOULD HAVE BEEN #1 THIS WEEK IF IT WAS ON BLU.

WAY TO GO PARAMOUNT YOU MADE THE BEST CHOICE.

YOU TOOK THE MYSTERY BOX OVER THE FREE BOAT!!! WHILE EVERYONE ELSE HAS A BOAT YOU NOW SINK!!!

stockstar1138
  Aug 31, 2007
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blu-ray pwns hd dvd.

CptGreedle
  Aug 31, 2007
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But do this reflect the time that Paramount changed?
Either way it is great news to hear but I await to see what next week will bring.

By the end of the year, Blu-ray will be dominating the sales, I wonder if we will even see a single HD-
DVD title in the top 20.

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supersix4
  Aug 31, 2007
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great news

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talbers23
  Aug 31, 2007
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yeah we will, transformers
domerdel
  Aug 31, 2007
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that source link is terrible, does anyone else have a DIRECT link? thanks

Zarathustra
  Aug 31, 2007
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HD-DUD is on the way out.
I'm very interested in seeing the sales chart positions after Xmas

Matt X
  Aug 31, 2007
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greedle - I'm wondering if we can infer from this data that we ALREADY are not seeing a single HD-DVD title in the top 20 - if we assume that BR has been the majority seller on all dual-format titles (someone tell me if there ARE any HDDVD titles that outsold BR during dual releases), then removing any HDDVD sales would likely not affect the titles' sales position much.
Flip side, remove the BR portion of D-F titles and their sales position falls dramatically......

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DAMNSAM77
  Aug 31, 2007
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I am sure all of the HDDVD losers will call B.S on this, so it would be GREAT if JOSH would include a link to a reputable site that supports these data facts.

GO BLU OR THE HELL WITH YOU!!!

spyrmak
  Aug 31, 2007
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GO

blu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



that's what i want to hear!!! GOOOOOD news!!!!!!!!

Cyorg
  Aug 31, 2007
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YEEEAHHH BOY!!!

spyrmak
  Aug 31, 2007
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but we have a problem!!!!!!!!

can SOMEBODY TELL BDA we need GREEK SUBTITLES!!!!!!!!



a lot of blu ray discs DO NOT HAVE Greek subtitles. for people in greece that's

a pitty.

as a citizen of greece (although i speak very good english too) i would like to see





more blu ray's with greek subtitles

sign the petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/grsubs/petition.html


please bda and companies add greek subs on blu ray's we had them no dvd's


why not now?
Shark
  Aug 31, 2007
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Blu-ray's taking names and kickin ass........I love it. Cheers,

Xerious
  Aug 31, 2007
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transformers (and possibly bourne ultimatum) will be the only movie(s) i see giving hd-dvd a pull this holiday season... anything that is blu exclusive or dual format will destroy any hd-dvd

monkeytap
  Aug 31, 2007
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greek subs. i like it...
..like othres, I am interested in seeing the numbers post paramount announcement. from reading this website, and personally, I expect a sales boost in blu ray, but what about the "others"?

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DAMNSAM77
  Aug 31, 2007
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SolidBlu...Dont even mention anything about buying Paramount/DW movies in any format on this forum. Crapamount and NightmareWorks has lost my business for DVDs and remaining BD movies, and I am definitely not buying any HDDVD movies from any studiom even though I have the stupid xbox add on...I am of all BLUrRAY supporters have a lot of temptations to buy BOG on HDDVD since I got the xbox hddvd add on, but I refuse to buy one copy, they can send me all the 5 FREE movies they want of HDDVD movies, I am personallu not spending a single penny on HDDVD movies nor will I ever buy any Paramount/Universal/Dreamworks movie on DVD either. If you are dying to buy it, then go on ebay, half.com or to a rental store and buy a used copy of BOG since it wont count against their new sales...trust me used, mint condition, dvd copies of BOG movie will be surfacing very soon, I am sure there are over 100 used copies on ebay as we speak! BOYCUTT PARAMOUNT!!! they are feeling the heat as we speak, since Blades of Glory, even thoug doing well on DVD, its SUCKING BIG TIME on HDDVD, most stores are overstocked with unwanted HDDVD copies and AMAZON numbers dont lie, BOG HDDVD is not even in the Top 25 of over all BD/HDDVD movie sales, and its number 20 I think in overall HDDVD sales....If Paramount had BOD released on BD too, I can bet you it would have sky-rocketed in bluray sales, prolly 3 times as much as HDDVD numbers! They could have easily moved 30,000 BD copies in a couple of months!
Shark
  Aug 31, 2007
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When Transformers tanks on HD DVD, heads are going to roll at Paramount! Cheers,,
GasCat
  Aug 31, 2007
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domerdel - That link is the best possible. The magazine is in a format which you need to flip through the a few pages to get to the numbers. It's always been that way until other media sites pick up the story.

spyrmak - Titles are going to be dowloadable in the future. It's a main feature of and part of "what's coming". So hang in there.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/blu-ray1.htm
"access the Web to download subtitles and other extra features"

As for the story, excellent news and is about what was to be expected. The boulder is still rolling and its going to be very hard for HD-DVD to stop its momentum. Blu-Ray recorders are going to computers and once that happens it will be like owning a CD R/W vs. DVD R/W. Which one do you own? People will go Blu all we need is to wait.

kaliraver
  Aug 31, 2007
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It will be a Blu Christmas that is for sure. Fox is dropping the bomb on HD-DUD.

TruBlu2
  Aug 31, 2007
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Hello, Hello I have a soft heart for Facts!! I love them so!!


Thanks Josh


Live Free, Live Blu
dynamicD
  Aug 31, 2007
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Kinda off subject...

Looking at this magazine When all is said an done. Do you think the Cases will stay Blue. I mean look at Page 17. I'm still waiting for a winner( i did buy planet earth in blu-ray) but I like the way my collection looks with the cover art. To be honest some of the cover art get thrown off by a blue or red case. I think Blu-ray should start making clear cases...

NutsAboutPS3
  Aug 31, 2007
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To get straight to the data, click on the Home Media Magazine link then type HD16 into the text box in the middle at the top and press enter, it will take you straight to the right page.

haushausman
  Aug 31, 2007
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@Aaronjackie. Yup... Blades of Glory would have been a definite BD purchase for me. IMO in would have made the Top 10 list for sure. Those idiots at Paramount would have made that $150 million in profits by middle of next year. They must have offered some sick incentives to execs.

@Shark. I think it will tank for sure. HD-DUD fanbois seem to be older (35+) and have the money to keep investing in a dieing format. This age group doesn't give two sh*ts about Transformers (neither do film critics, who are 35+). They weren't even around when they were kids and are very critical of the movie (I can see why, the plot was weak but my love for Optimus Prime made up for everything it lacked). IMO Transformers will sell tons of DVDs but will bomb huge with HD-DVD. They let there target audience go when they signed the deal.

Branden
  Aug 31, 2007
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19 of the top 20 titles avaiable on BD. less than half on HDUD.

CucamongaBlues
  Aug 31, 2007
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You know, I was really looking forward to rushing out to buy Transformers on blu-ray. Obviously, that wait has been extended quite a bit. That being said, I don't have high confidence that there'll be a lot of women just pining away waiting to own any version of this movie. In other words, the demographic largely centers on the male of the species.

Secondly, my wife really enjoyed the Bourne movies, but I've asked her, and she says it's highly unlikely that she would have ever seen them without me. I have a feeling that her story is not an anomaly. Again, a demographic that mainly includes men.

Now, on the other hand, my family was included in the 17 million (was it?) people who sat down to watch Disney's (blu-ray exclusive studio) High School Musical 2. Now, on my own, I'd probably have never even heard of HSM2 let alone watched it. But that being said, family movies put butts in seats. And just how many of those movies do the HD-DUD exclusive studios have? Sure, my kids liked Shrek3 and I laughed a lot, but searching "Shrek the Third HD-DVD" on Amazon yielded zero results. "High School Musical 2 blu-ray" search showed a December 11 release. Um...yeah.

Bottom line, for HD-DUD viewers, get ready to cope with not having any movies in the top 10, 20, and maybe even 30 this X-mas. Unless, of course, it's a dual-format release.

P.S. Tru-Blu people - Don't just rent or buy this weekend. Invite your Pre-Blu friends over to watch with you.

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DAMNSAM77
  Aug 31, 2007
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CucamongaBlues <--- regarding yuor P.S, excellent note my friend!! I have been introducing and boasting BluRay to all my friends and coworkers, last BD inductee my coworker Russ who will be buying the PS3 with the 8 free blu movies from Amazon by next Friday! SPREAD THE WORD!!! BLU GENERATION!!!

glenn22
  Aug 31, 2007
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Nice, 5 exclusives in the top 10!!!
BluBerry
  Aug 31, 2007
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"Noticeably absent from the list is Universal who didn't have a title which sold enough copies to break into the top 20."

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, right Josh?
Omnicron
  Aug 31, 2007
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This is interesting.

After a flood of exciting news yesterday HD DVD had their cance today!

All they could muster up is this

2 New players and a vote of confedence from Paramount?

This war is really starting to look bleek for HD DVD! Raw data in sales and the sheer number of companies that support BLU-RAY clearly is pointing to HD-DVD's demise.

Paramount exec said that HD DVD has the lead in stand alone players and gamers won't buy movies.

1. HD DVD has been out almost 6-8 months longer than Blu-Ray and check the data on
Omnicron
  Aug 31, 2007
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Sorry............

check the data on when Blu-Ray hit the market its almost 50/50 in terms of sales for stand alone players.

2. If gamers dont buy movies why is Blu-Ray selling so much? Seesh!

Check out the HD DVD press highlights from IFA.........Its really kind of sad to see them in this state

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/IFA/HD_DVD_Day_at_IFA_2007/920

Papi4baby
  Aug 31, 2007
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@Aaronjackie Im sorry to say, to you and all who agree with you aboug BOG, but it really is not that great of a movie, a rental is what it is. It would apply to some people but nothing like some of you guys make it seen. It was and it is an ok movie that's all.

bkbluray
  Aug 31, 2007
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@Papi4baby The point was that if you're going to buy BOG on DVD, buy it used. Not if you thought it was a good movie.
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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The data shows sales as of August 5. The Paramount news came out more than two weeks later. Looking just at Amazon.com sales rankings (admittedly, not really a sales statistic) HD-DVD caught up to and, for a few days, passed B-R. Right now the top-10 high def disc are split dead-even between the two. The average sales ranking is virtually identical.

Source: http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx

As for releases that will push HD-DVD, Heroes S1 just came out on Tuesday. Personally, I think Lost will be a bigger seller, but that's not out until mid-December. So it will be PoTC/Spiderman versus Transformers.
Clin_Diesel
  Aug 31, 2007
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nice keep it up i offically started my blu-ray collection this week.buying them just to suport sony!

spam.curitiba
  Aug 31, 2007
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@wprager

You are only looking at the top 10 from each side. Why don't we look at the top 100.......


http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx?TYPE=100&SPAN=0

as you can see hd dvd has a long way to catch up.....

seems like the only way to get people to buy hd dvd's is to have a sale on them for them cheapasses....
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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The sales ranking cannot be used as a statistic. It doesn't show sales numbers. For example, if a certain movie was #1 Monday through Friday, but slipped to #2 on the weekend, you could think that it had a decent week. But if the sales volume during the week was dwarfed by the weekend sales then it's entirely possible that it wasn't the top seller for the week. The farther out you go from the top 10 the less relevant this becomes. I think it's fair to say that titles in the top-100 overall by sales ranking are selling in decent numbers. The 17th best selling high-def title (Apocalypto) is ranked #100 overall, and it's barely in the top-ten among B-R titles.

My point is that top-10 and, to a lesser degree, the top-25 charts show average rankngs for movies with some volume. Outside of that the volume is not even a trickle -- for either format. And the 14 day chart of the top-10 and top-25 show a very strong move by HD-DVD. Will it continue? Who knows, but you'd be a fool to deny that there was a move.

http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx?TYPE=25&SPAN=14

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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HD DVD trolls: where are you? What's the spin on this one?
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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Also, actually, it was B-R that had some fantastic sales (buy 2 get the third free). HD-DVD has had great prices on the h/w, but for movies B-R seems to always seems to be first with the deals.
rwarner174
  Aug 31, 2007
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I am an HD-DVD troll.
We have a higher attachment rate!! So there!

No just kidding go bluray.
Who cares about attachment rate, but they always bring it up?
The only thing that matters is disks sold! Period.
BLU_BOY02
  Aug 31, 2007
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DIE HD DVD! DIE! BWAAAAAH HA HA AH

spam.curitiba
  Aug 31, 2007
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@wprager:

It just shows me that the only time someone will by hd dvd is when there is a sale of some sort. Blu's sell all the time. The same thing will happen once that cheap ass POS hd dvd player comes out later this year. The people that buy those players will buy probably at most 2 hd dvd's a year. But then you will say, "OH they will rent them". From where? Blockbuster? NO. Blockbuster online? Maybe but with long waits if it is anything like the blu-ray side. Netflix? Maybe but with long waits. I doubt they will want to fork out 20 bucks a month for an online service that they are only able to get 3 rentals a month. SO where are all these software sells going to come from with this cheap POS player all the hd dvd fanboys are saying will take place?

Truckondo
  Aug 31, 2007
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I had the 360 HD DVD add on but when I realized most of the movies were on Blu ray, I sold it along with the "whopping" 3 movies I bought for it all year long. I just pulled the trigger on the PS3 w/ 8 free movies from amazon for $475 shipped. It sucks to lose studio support due to ignorant business decisions. What is going to suck for Paramount/Dreamworks/Universal is that they have a whole lot of people willing to give them money and they have no way of getting it for the time being. I can't wait to start my collection of non combo format discs.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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right, but you have to practically give away your players to get people to buy them. What's next? Buy an HD DVD and we'll throw in a free player??? Soon the world will be able to thank Toshiba for turning the High Definition market into a .com. You can just hear 'em cryin', "if we can't have it, nooooobody caaaaaaan". Makes Paramount's olive branch that much more disgraceful.

tru blu
  Aug 31, 2007
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Great news.

Yeah HD DUD will have Transformers and The Bourne Ultimatum in the mix for a bit, but Fox with
the Die Hards & Fantastic 4 - Rise of the Silver Surfer, Sony with Spiderman, and Disney with
Ratatouille will give us big numbers yet again over the holiday season.

Throw in The Simpsoms movie?

Not to mention Independence Day, I.Robot, Prision Break, etc and those rankings will be very blu
indeed...

May the Blu be with you...

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that1guystudios
  Aug 31, 2007
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What a great magazine. I LOVE it. Though it is disheartening to hear that both HD formats aren't doing very well now, I can't say I am surprised. I'm happy to hear that Blu-Ray is doing a lot better now, and can't wait to see what happens at Christmas. I think both formats will slash prices on hardware and software, and we're going to see a lot of great deals. If the average joe is going to buy this format, we've got to lower the price, and educate the consumer. Tell everyone you know about the differences, and don't smudge the facts. Blu-Ray is obviously a great choice. You don't have to call HD-DVD adopters idiots in order to make Blu-Ray look good...it already does. You simply have to tell people the good news about Blu-Ray!
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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I certainly hope for you guys that the suits in the boardrooms aren't being as cavalier -- I could also have said short-sighted -- as most of the members here. There are serious issues that need to be addressed:
1. Only 40% of PS3 buyers know it plays B-R discs. Why??! The fact that only half of them go on to buy movies is a secondary problem, but how can you spend $500 on something and not even know what it can do?
2. Cost of standalone players are prohibitive to mass market penetration. I recently read that a B-R player's cost is greater, in part, because of bundling in the capability to play SD DVDs. If so, then maybe they need to take that out so they can lower the price. Probably won't be enough to drop it $100, which is what it will take. And it's got to be done right now.
3. Drop the price of the movies! B-R has done a little more on this side -- like I mentioned earlier, it seems that HD-DVD is always reacting to promos/sales from the B-D camp. Of course it's a chicken-egg problem: you can't sell them cheaper until you sell more, and you can't sell more until they are cheaper. Spiderman (trilogy) for $65, Fifth Element for $20 -- need more deals like that!

#3 is probably the biggest concern for me, and since Blu-Ray is more expensive to manufacture I have resigned myself to higher prices for the foreseable future :-(
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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Are you guys delusional???! Ratatouille is a cartoon, for crying out loud! It's not going to drive high-def sales! If Disney brings re-masters Mary Poppins in high-def that would be very enticing. Perhaps even some classic cartoons (Fantasia, Jungle Book). Those who watch current Disney titles couldn't give a rat's ass about high-def. I've got four of them living in my household so I ought to know. I have some Full-Screen discs at home we got as presents, and the kids couldn't care less, even when Tim Allen is fat *before* he becomes Santa! Me, on the other hand, I would love to see the *older* stuff restored. My kids -- meh, they don't care.

So do I spend an extra $5 for a movie I, frankly, don't think is that great, to get a negligible (arguably non-existent) improvement over an up-converted SD DVD? No way.

Lord of the Rings -- yes!
Matrix -- yes! (when?)
Harry Potter -- yes!
Spiderman/PoTC -- yes!
Fifth Element -- yes!
Star Wards -- of course! (the original trilogy)

After that, not so sure. I've got a Superbit version of Knight's Tale and it looks fantastic. I love that movie, but will I spring for an extra $25 to get it in B-R? Now it gets tougher. The ones above, no problem. After that, even if I love the movie, gets much harder to *not only* justify spending an extra $5, but an extra $25 to replace.

Content is only king when all else is equal and, at this time, it isn't.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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that1guypictures - I do agree. There are some earnest HD DVD adopters out there why by their own conclusions have made the decision they feel was right for them, and we respect that (though do not necessarily agree with it, as it prolongs 'the war' and denies us content). There are others in those circles, who are indeed idiots who like to frequent our site and deflect what are quite simply, the facts about consumer preference (as evidenced in this article, yet again). As for price, there is a fine line between giving Consumers a fair entry point to drive adoption, and paying a fair price for a premium experience, making it viable for those who continually challenge the boundaries of a superior entertainment experience. Toshiba's activity threatens this promise in a very serious way, that frankly, more people should taking a step back to pause and really think about.
beepemborp
  Aug 31, 2007
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Just give up already HD-DVD! You lost! I'm sorry! New Blu Ray players are coming out advanced players might I add for cheaper prices now. The movies are looking so much better, The memory held on one blu ray disc is more than HD DVD, the sound quality is rising fast to 7.1 or equal and you can't even provide that, we just received two more studios backing up the already awesome format, one was only for HD DVD now with blu ray, and Blu ray is STILL killing in sales! HD DVD, GIVE UP ALREADY!!! I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE, AND IT'S ONLY BLU RAY ALL THE WAY!!!

spam.curitiba
  Aug 31, 2007
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@wprager:

Have you ever seen those cg cartoons on blu-ray compared to the sd version?

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dobyblue
  Aug 31, 2007
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I agree that Transformers may crack the end of year top 20 lists and so may Bourne, but I seriously doubt they will crack the top 10 and that's saying something of the power of Blu.

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dobyblue
  Aug 31, 2007
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Ratatouille will drive high def sales as will any Pixar movie

Have you compared the DVD of Happy Feet to the Blu-ray version? It is night and day man.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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Yeah, but revert back to the original scenario re: Transformers. Paramount could have very conceivably taken the number 1 spot had it stayed in support of Blu-ray. EDIT - now they will be lucky to make the top 20 (agreed) following what Blu-ray has in store for the fall. And heaven forbid us Blu-ray consumers get our hands on the Matrix, and other titles silently waiting on the sidelines...
oldmike
  Aug 31, 2007
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looks like we have a new HD DVD troll on the board
Shark
  Aug 31, 2007
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haushausman, I'm actually 44 years old and I loved the movie Transformers. It's never a good idea to stereo type people into age groups or race. If you wanted to make a more accurate marketing analysis, I would say the Blu-ray camp would include the consumers most educated on average, higher disposable income, and this group cares about quality and are willing to pay to get it. They are also the early adaptors and in this format war will be the ones most likely to influence the next generation of HD the most. Cheers,
HD_DVD
  Aug 31, 2007
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Wait a couple of months, when the $199 HD-DVD player comes out,
then BLU-RAY will die
HD_DVD
  Aug 31, 2007
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Death to BLU-RAY
HD_DVD
  Aug 31, 2007
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Death to BLU-RAY

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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Precisely why you will not win. You need much more than limp-footed insults to overcome the title wave of facts and data presented to consumers every day in support of Blu-ray.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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And if Blu-ray does the same thing, then what?

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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Well I'll tell you what, not only will Blu-ray have the option of doing the same (umm, how many electonics manufacturers support Blu-ray as opposed to HD DVD?), I'll put money that more PS3s will be sold over the same time period as your discount, snap-together, HD DVD player.

Curumo
  Aug 31, 2007
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Hey, Zombie DVD, half-dead, the other half rotten, maybe u wanted to say:
"WAIT A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHEN THE 1.99$ HD-DVD PLAYER COMES OUT ON E-BAY"??
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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Happy Feet was quite dazzling with my current setup, but the movie, frankly, sucked. Maybe it's because I have CRT-RPTV which can actually display the 1080i that my up-converting player sends it. Most people I know have screens that will only give them 768 vertical resolution. For them, perhaps, the upconverted picture is not as good as true high-def. For me it makes very little difference.

So, then, it really gets back down to price. Can I buy a high-def disc for the same money I spend now on DVD? No? OK, I'll wait.

And therein lies the problem.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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...double the PS3s, if you think less than half will watch a Blu-ray disc (we comfortably put SOOO much faith in the scientific merits of the performance and analysis conducted with that study). Oh wait a second, people who buy $200 snap-together, no name players have SOOO much more disposable income to buy discs right?????
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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atdm71: The 40% and "half" were from a report that came out a couple of weeks ago. My personal opinion is that kid movies will not drive high-def sales. I base that opinion on my considerable experience as a parent with kids, and on second hand info I get from many friends in a similar situation.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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wprager - I edited my post above, re: my confidence in that report and the credentials of the individuals who performed it. And even if this is true, what should scare the pants of the HD DVD camp is the sleeping tiger that would be any percentage of the remaining 60% of that installed Blu-ray capable base that tests and enjoys its Blu-ray capabilities. What happens when they buy an HDTV? I'll bet a few of 'em bought a copy of 300. If anything they represent very dangerous potential for exponential growth as the high def market matures by the day. Keep in mind, Disney hasn't even begun to pull out some of their big guns as far as cartoon titles are concerned. And if they were smart, the added scratch protection the Blu-ray versions have should be marketed to parents (my son's done a good job of detroying many of our DVDs - including my Napoleon Dynamite - d'oh!!!).

But at any rate, we'll have a good test of your hypothesis when Cars releases on Blu-ray in November...
Shark
  Aug 31, 2007
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The HD DVD Trolls are out in force after the news the past few days. Some of what I have read is so stupid it scary. Like one guy wrote that Sony removed the backwards compatibility from the PS3 in order to add the 80GB hard drive. It’s complete rubbish but anyone silly enough to buy a HD DVD player would most likely believe it. Cheers,

Top contributor
Canada
  Aug 31, 2007
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Did Paramount not know this before they took the $150 million. Some one said that Blu Ray was dying because Paramount pulled the plug on us, but he did not know that HD DVD payed Paramount $150 million to go exclucive for a year and a half. I subscribe to the e-mail updates from HD DVD, I never plan to get HD DVD, just call it reconnaissance.

atdm71
  Aug 31, 2007
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Shark -- that's pretty funny. I'll bet those trolls are just loving these figures.
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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atdm71:
I guess because I've got no vested interest in HD-DVD I cannot really relate to the "scare the pants" comment. You are correct, that is a large potential installed base. 80% of 150 million is still 120 million.

You are also correct about Disney and their wealth of classics. But they are not going to spend the time and effort (most will require substantial effort to remaster them in high-def) until volume is there. Disney should be leaning on the h/w side of the BDA to reduce prices. That is a must, especially for their target audience (families with kids and, as a result, reduced budgets).

Shark:
If your comment about trolls was addressed in part to me, please reconsider. True, I don't own a B-R player or PS3. True, I don't automatically praise any B-R related press and bash anything remotely positive to H-D. I have always prided myself on trying to see, first of all, both sides of an argument and, second, to sort through the hype and try to get the facts.

PaulDubya
  Aug 31, 2007
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no suprise

DirtHerder
  Aug 31, 2007
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Here's a question for "wprager" who has made several comments on this (and perhaps many more) thread(s). Are you an impartial observer to this conflict, or in fact; are you the "armchair general" of this site? Indeed, are you here to become a potential purchaser for a BR system? Stated above, you have no high definition BR product to claim. Yet you are here. I believe that everyone here has the right to demand a clear reason for your presence. WHY are you HERE? Your comments are long and do spin merrily, but they're pretty useless here. Being that this is a specific website that specifically has claim to ONE bit of information in regards to BLUE RAY DISC/BUYERS ONLY. Why are you HERE?

GSX600F
  Aug 31, 2007
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Oh yes, there will be blood!
NICE1 Blu-ray, YOU know what time it is
Shark
  Aug 31, 2007
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To wprager, after reading many of the posts you made here at Blu, I agree with DirtHerder. Why are you here? Your comments are inaccurate and you spend most of your time making negative comments towards the true die hard Blu-ray supporters. He should be ban from this site. Click if you agree. Thanks for pointing that out to me DirtHerder. Cheers,
Shark
  Aug 31, 2007
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Does anyone know if it's possible to ban this wprager guy from this site? He's completely delusional and definitely a HD DUD Troll………. Cheers,

Marcusarilius
  Aug 31, 2007
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As Nelson would say... "Haaa, Haaa"!
Great business moves Universal and Paramount! Expect to see new CEOs in the not too distant future from these two companies.

richard lichtenfelt
  Aug 31, 2007
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Hd-dvd had no interesting news so they turned it into a mud slinging political style attack.
I own a PS3 with 1 game and 21 blu-ray movies. Hd-dvd promo group chairman says gamers don't count as they won't be buying movies.
Hd-dvd I am almost ashamed for you.

techyted
  Aug 31, 2007
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I'm not Surprised, since I own most of the top 10....
Cyan
  Aug 31, 2007
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I think you guys are giving wprager a hard time for no reason. Most of the points that he makes are completely valid. BluRay's #1 competitor is not HDDVD, and hasn't been in awhile. BluRay's real #1 competitor is DVD...it just can't really try to tackle DVD until HDDVD is out of the way. Also, having 3 daughters, the point that he makes about kids not caring about HD are 100% accurate. Plus, with the way kids treat discs, it's fairly unlikely that I'll be replacing most of their moves into the HD format even when they are available. There are some Disney classics that I will buy in BluRay format, and certainly most of the CGI movies I will as well, but most 'Disney movies' I wouldn't bother with unless they're 10 bucks a disk..which admittedly, may very well happen. Wprager is also correct that BR discs are typically on sale more often than HD DVD discs..because Sony subsidizes alot of the losses there, etc. Anyway, I don't doubt that BR will defeat HDDVD, and at that point the market will, for all intents and purposes, force people into upgrading...but there are still things that BR can do to make this happen more quickly. You guys should really give Wprager a break, seriously.

Also, Shark, the 80GB PS3 does *not* have full backwards compatability. The 20/60GB PS3 used what Sony refers to as an 'emotion engine' to give 100% backwards compability. This was extremely expensive though, and is a big part of why they were losing $250 per unit sold on PS3s. The 80GB PS3 uses software emulation, and offers about 80% backwards compatability. This is kind of irritating, but, should result in the PS3 being more aggressive in it's pricing once A)all of the 60GB units are sold out and B)the holiday season has passed.
aznboiblu
  Aug 31, 2007
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OUTSTANDING!!!

tru blu
  Aug 31, 2007
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Cyan
I don't really care about if kids can tell the difference in HD quality. I can. And own pretty much all
the animated movies available from all the studios. It's not just families who buy these products. I
have replaced each of my laserdiscs when the dvd equiv came out, and intend to do the same when
they are released in Hi Def!!

Cheers
wprager
  Aug 31, 2007
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Why am I here? I like technology; I like movies; I like technology that lets me enjoy movies more. I read and I learn, sometimes. I post on other boards that support HD-DVD, yet I don't own an HD-DVD player. I also post on the TiVo Community Forum and I don't own a TiVo.

I don't own either format and I don't intend to in the (unfortunately) foreseeable future. That is primarily because of uncertainty, and to a smaller extent because of the cost. I want a $150-200 player with the same quality level as an Oppo; I want high-def movies to cost $20-25. And I'm willing to wait.

I'm sorry Cyan got slammed for seeing my posts for what they are. God, it's actually really funny -- I am not watching Babylon 5 (for the first time) and recently went through the story arc with the Nightwatch. I feel like I'm one of the shop keepers that was shut down.

tmax
  Aug 31, 2007
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Go Blu, like a snowball, it just keeps on getting bigger and bigger
Cyan
  Sep 01, 2007
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@Wparger: Some people only see what they want to see. I'm not sure why you got called an 'HDDVD Troll', when you never mentioned, let alone stood up for, HDDVD in any of your posts. Rest assured that not everyone sees it that way, at least.

In fairness, though, I think that expecting an even remotely decent quality player at the $200 mark is unrealistic/unfair. It took at least 2 years for this to occur with DVD. I'm confident that it *will* happen with BluRay, but it will probably be a bit yet, especially since they decided to start packaging DVD compatabilty into BluRay players, which makes them slightly more expensive. But it makes sense to do so, because people only have so many ports on their televisions, with more components than ever these days.

Also, you can already consistently buy BluRay movies for $20-25, from Amazon.com. The large majority of BR discs cost $24.95 on Amazon, and qualify for free shipping. It's not as convenient as running up to the local WalMart, but the selection is there. And as far as retail markets go, the majority of the titles that they do sell at WalMart sell at the $25 price point, and even BestBuy has some titles at that price(including 300). So, this part of what you want to see is already being reached, in reality.

Dave
  Sep 01, 2007
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Kick some ass Blu! Hahaha!
wprager
  Sep 01, 2007
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Cyan: regarding the price of movies, I am in Canada. When you feel like laughing at others' misfortunes, check out www.amazon.ca anc compare prices with amazon.com. The exchange rate is 95 cents to the dollar, or only 5% difference.

Excalibur-king
  Sep 01, 2007
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Blu-ray has the best exclusive flicks duh!
Starfighter
  Sep 01, 2007
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Blu-Ray RULES. HD-DVD is already considered HD DEAD. Alot of Top pick movies and flicks are going blu here and the holiday season is gonna be BLU. GO BLU
Cyan
  Sep 02, 2007
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@Shark: Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll. If anything, you are the one acting like a troll here. I am 100% a supporter of BluRay, over both HDDVD and traditional DVD as well. But that doesn't mean that I'm not a logical/rational person. Seriously, you're being completely unreasonable here.

ESUNintel
  Sep 02, 2007
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Blu-ray is the best!!!
rprc2285
  Sep 02, 2007
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people who have have little knowledge of what's going on between the hd-dvd - bluray hd format war (myself included), the price of stand alone hd player can influence your decision at which format you are going to adapt. i'm very fortunate to have a 12-year old son who desperately wanted a ps3. I fell in love instantly with bluray. I've seen 54 movies so far--all in bluray.. blu ray all tha way!!! if it aint blu--it's not coming to my house

SDG
  Sep 02, 2007
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Im like rprc2285. I bought a PS3 for games and new nothing about BLU RAY movies. Advertising on TV to show the benifits and of BLU could help alot.
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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Berlin — The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced several new members and touted a number of milestones at its IFA press conference, here, yesterday.


The news that Acer had joined BDA as a contributing member meant that the top four PC makers, representing more than 50 percent of the market, were supporting the format, said David Walstra, BDA European promotions vice chair.


In addition, the China Huala Group, an A/V manufacturing firm, will join with the China Film Group to establish a Blu-ray authoring facility in China. “This is a significant step forward,” Walstra said. According to the Huala Group, the plant will initially focus on supplying Chinese content on Blu-ray discs. Panasonic will provide “technical support” to the Huala Group.


Blu-ray Disc hardware is now No. 1 one in the U.S. market, while the pace of video sales has quickened, Walstra noted. It took 10 months to reach 1 million Blu-ray discs sold, but only three months to reach the 2-million mark, he added.


Since the introduction of the Play Station3, Blu-ray movies have outsold HD DVDs by a margin of 3-to-1 in Europe, and a number of independent studios across the continent have now signed on to distribute films in the format, Walstra said.


Executives from Twentieth Century Fox, Sony Pictures, Warner Home Video and Disney previewed their fourth-quarter lineup of Blu-ray titles, including the first videos to offer Blu-ray Live functionality.


“National Treasure,” coming next year, will be Disney’s first with the feature, said Stephan Foulser, Disney marketing and business development VP. The company will ship a “platinum edition” of “Sleeping Beauty” next year, also with Blu-ray Live.


“The launch of a classic Disney movie has been a major catalyst for a format, going back to VHS,” he said.


Sony will launch 30 titles in Blu-ray in the fourth quarter.


As for Fox, it will ship “Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer” on Oct. 2 in the United States. The disc will feature a Blu-ray Java multiplayer game. It will also launch “Die Hard 4.0” on Nov. 20.


Warner Home Video will launch as many titles in Blu-ray in the fourth quarter of this year as it has in the first three quarters, said Monica Juniel, Warner marketing VP.


Titles will include “Harry Potter” and “Oceans 11,” “Oceans 12” and “Oceans 13.” Juniel also noted that Warner continued to believe that its previously announced Total High Definition format was “still viable” but would not say when it would launch. “It’s still alive,” she asserted.
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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If you wrote something negative about HD DUD or very positive about Blu-ray and you see you’re rating fall, don't pay any attention to it, it's just the HD DUD trolls. Their so dispirit now that they have to come to a Blu-ray site to sell their BS. Cheers,
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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The HD DVD Trolls are out in force after the news the past few days. Some of what I have read is so stupid it scary. Like one guy wrote that Sony removed the backwards compatibility from the PS3 in order to add the 80GB hard drive. It’s complete rubbish but anyone silly enough to buy a HD DVD player would most likely believe it. Cheers,
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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richard lichtenfelt, I couldn't agree more. I own a PS3 with 2 games and 103 movies and I don't understand how these poeple who obviously know their getting stomped by Blu-ray continue like the tobaco industry and stand up and say we are winning when their not even close. Their bold faced liars and this should mark them for ever. I feel sorry for all those people who went out last week and bought HD DVD players and movies. HD DVD has been dumped by everyone except Toshiba, NBC/GE/Universal, and Paramount. I don't think these guys know the damage their doing to their organizations by hanging on and burning so many of their customers. I wouldn't want to be around or own any stock when the HD DVD camp finally realize they've been had. The fallout is going to be interesting. cheers,
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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If you wrote something negative about HD DUD and you see you’re rating fall, don't pay any attention to it, it's just the HD DUD trolls. They hit negative if they don't like what you write. Their so dispirit now that they have to come to a Blu-ray site to sell their BS. Cheers,
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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Cyan and wprager can say what they want; everyone on this site knows what their up to. You're not kidding anyone. All anyone has to do is go back and read what you guys have written. I am not the one who originally noticed what you guys were up to either. If you go back, DirtHerder notice something wrong first. Check him out on page 4. I don’t believe that we’re the first either. It's so obvious it's funny.
Shark
  Sep 02, 2007
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Does anyone know if it's possible to ban wprager and Cyan from this site? These two under cover HD DVD trolls are the ones that have been clicking negative when you post a Blu-ray positive message or post a negative HD DVD message. If you go back and read what they have been writing it's easy to tell that they have been putting a negitive spin on every thing. They have been under mining everybody on this site for quite sometime and should be band. Cheers,
wprager
  Sep 02, 2007
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To shark:
You're a sad, sad, little man.

I haven't once said a negative thing about B-R. All I am doing is calling stuff I see out. For example, SDG said:
[quote]
Im like rprc2285. I bought a PS3 for games and new nothing about BLU RAY movies. Advertising on TV to show the benifits and of BLU could help alot.[/quote]

Contrast that to one of my posts (probably deleted by now) which pointed this out (PS3 owners not knowing the full capabilities of their console) as a problem that needs to be addressed. We are practically saying the same thing -- Sony needs to do a better job of advertising this "feature".

This is still the United States of America, right? Why is it, then, that you are calling for banning me and -- Goog God! -- an acknowledged B-R owner and supporter (Cyan)? You don't need trolls, you're doing a fine job of alienating discerning individuals all by yourself. I thought "Hydra" was some joke/FUD that the H-D camp came up with, but posters like you make me really wonder.
wprager
  Sep 03, 2007
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Resorting to name calling -- what are you, 10? This isn't the grade 4 playground. Care to debate, then learn the rules. Pick a neutral location where the mods aren't zealots of one side or the other. I'll be there. Say, 15 minutes after classes let out?

Galley
  Sep 03, 2007
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How long until Toshiba produces its first Blu-ray player? Remember, Sony eventually produced VHS
machines.
wprager
  Sep 03, 2007
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I remember when the first Sony VHS player came out. They re-badged a Sanyon player and in the first year the new "Sony" became the best selling VHS player. It was rated (by consumers) as the best quality player around. Ironically, the same Sanyo player was rated a lot lower. Ah, what's in a name, eh?

DirtHerder
  Sep 03, 2007
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I recently posted this and since these comments are descending into a different subject in regards to the past. I'll repost this again...

It's a damn shame with this format war in this new generation precluding any real sign of success with either formats. This has been going on for nearly two years now. TWO years. Click on this article:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_1997_Oct_31/ai_19947124

That report was in the FIRST year of the NEW technology that we know of as.. DVD. 2 to FIVE HUNDRED titles in ONE year...in the U.S. Everybody, remember this: The Laser Disc was the future in Hi Def. This BR vs. HD-DVD fiasco will end in tears for both sides

...Sooo, "wprager". Your the guy who goes to a football game of two teams that you have No investment in and then proceeds to point out every little gaffe on one team. Being an equal opportunity critique-er individual, I'm sure your presence is seen on a HD-DVD only site. Correct? Please.. Give us that website and let us judge your "neutrality" on those forums. I wait for your response.

tru blu
  Sep 03, 2007
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The Harry Potter movies have been announced on Blu Ray in Australia for 11/14

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/795821
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/795822
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/795823
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/795824

Bring It On!!!
Lets see who sells more. Thanks Warner!!

May the Blu be with you...
wsanford000
  Sep 03, 2007
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BluRay!!

majorlos
  Sep 03, 2007
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go blu all the way

DirtHerder
  Sep 03, 2007
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Shark... Will you please calm down with all that "Ban that BS scum NOW!!!" and attempting to win in a war of swear words. Face the rotten facts of the WWW.anywhere landscape.. The only way to win (of many options) is to retort with factual backing and witty verbiage. Or somehow get the entire group of posters to simple ignore any post that person puts out. Or (and this would be the finale) garner a whole bunch of money and go to that person's house in the grand style of Jay and Silent Bob and beat the tar out of 'em! That option is definitely in the Hollyweird way and will not end happily for you.

MacHaggis
  Sep 03, 2007
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Some people say that it's because of the PS3 that Blu-ray DVDs are out-selling HD DVD...

I wonder if those are the same people that were ridiculing the PS3 when it first came out, due to its high price, saying that the inclusion of the BD player was overkill on the part of Sony.

At the same time, the HD DVD higher-ups are dismissing the PS3 with comments such as "gamers don't watch movies".

Well, I'm not a gamer, and I bought a PS3 last week. I am very happy with the purchase and I do use the console for everything but games. Maybe one day, some games as well...

Anyway, that's my rant...

Long live Blu-ray!

I hope HD DVD (aka Heavy Duty Bribes) gets its just deserves...

bm
wprager
  Sep 03, 2007
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Digitalhome.ca is where I hag out a lot, trying to figure out things relevant to me: Rogers cable rates/packages/etc., bugs in the SA 8300 HD PVR, etc. I am pissed off that Sony and Toshiba could not work it out 2-3 years ago. Very early on I had suggested that MS could be backing HD-DVD because of their internal interest in electronic delivery -- hold up adoption of the new gen format so they can go up the middle with their own. Personally, I wouldn't put it past them. Sony has had a track record with pushing proprietary formats (and failing), and I am no great friend of them (or MS, for that matter). But I have no allegiance to HD-DVD and no hate for B-R.

There, have I made myself a little more clear?
wprager
  Sep 04, 2007
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By the way, no one has mentioned that Amazon.com's sales rankings have swung back into B-R's favour. Less than a week ago the top-10 consisted of 6 HD-DVD titles; now it;s back down to just 3. Also, overall high-def sales have tanked -- a week ago first Heroes, then 300 were consistently in the top 10 overall; now the top-ranked high-def title (300 on B-R) has slipped to 34th overall.


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