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PS3 Gets 3D Blu-ray Support - but without Lossless Audio

Posted September 21, 2010 03:22 AM by Juan Calonge

As announced last week (see Blu-ray.com, September 16), new firmware version 3.50 is now available for the PlayStation 3, which enables support for the Blu-ray 3D specification on all incarnations of the PS3 console. However, Sony Computer Entertainment has confirmed that DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD won't be supported on the PS3 during 3D Blu-ray playback.

Thus, when playing back a 3D BD with a DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack, the PS3 will output DTS. When playing back a 3D BD with a Dolby TrueHD soundtrack, the PS3 will output Dolby Digital. This affects both PCM output and bitstreaming (available on slim consoles only).

As previously reported (see Blu-ray.com, September 14), BD-Java on the PS3 is also limited when playing back 3D BD content.

Joshua Wingfield, Blu-ray.com news contributor and moderator of the 3D subforum, posted an early hands-on report and informed: "I can confirm that with the Ps3 3.50 firmware update it only puts the audio out as DTS standard (lossy) in the bitstream mode. Also the menus on Coraline are flattened to 2D. Subtitles still show up in 3D mode, and so do menus. The image just flattens. Standard DTS is output by bitstream and linear PCM works as well but it still shows it as lossy DTS in the info bar on the PS3. So for now 3D on the PS3...full 1080p to each eye, but no HD audio and no 3D on menu screens or pop up menus. Can't say I'm disappointed. The update was free and the speed on the PS3 doesn't seem to be affected."


Source: Blu-ray.com | Permalink | United States [Country settings]

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LordCrumb
  Sep 21, 2010
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Lol? Is that one step forward, one step back?
Amillennialist
  Sep 21, 2010
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So, it doesn't do "everything."

Bummer.

will_ares
  Sep 21, 2010
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is this a hardware limitation? or something Sony is purposley leaving out and can easily make a firmware upgrade for it? I'm thinking more the latter so they can sell more 3-D Blu-ray players. CONSPIRACY is say

stubiedoo
  Sep 21, 2010
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I wont be buying a 3D tv anyway and i doubt it will catch on as the technology is expensive.

andyparhelia
  Sep 21, 2010
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Come on, the ps3 is almost 4 years old. It wasn't devolped with 3D in mind, people didn't buy it with 3d in mind - so the fact that they can give you the 3d option for free is a win-win in my book.

aiman04
  Sep 21, 2010
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Good thing that LPCM 5.1 no longer used on discs, or else it will be output as PCM 2.0.

Jim Purcell
  Sep 21, 2010
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"i doubt it will catch on as the technology is expensive. " - said by everyone about every new technology ever

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pchin
  Sep 21, 2010
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So let me count my fingers...hmm...how many 3D BD titles are available that are non-exclusive??
HaloIsOverrated
  Sep 21, 2010
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Oh this is sure to piss off the nerd-ery
stace5000
  Sep 21, 2010
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i dont think this will affect ps3 sales too much , considering most 3dtv's get sold with a free 3d blu-ray, glasses.. etc

will_ares
  Sep 21, 2010
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andyparhelia......good point sir

K i r a
  Sep 21, 2010
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It's a free upgrade to 3D Blu-ray- Quit bitching. If you want full audio support and 100%, rather than 75% 3D, by all means go out and spend $250+ on a 3D Blu-ray player. I think this is a good step, as it may draw more people to 3D television/gaming. Which rises the question: For the future 3D games announced on PS3, will the audio and limit of 3D be affected on there, too?
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McStyvie
  Sep 21, 2010
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I don't own a PS3 and now I definitely won't be getting one. What the hell is the point of watching 3D movies if you can't do it with lossless sound? Yes, I have a system that allows me to hear the difference. For me, the sound is 75% of the fun of blu-ray, 3D or not.

doctorsteve
  Sep 21, 2010
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Love the fact that my Blu player (a launch day 20GB fatty, upgraded to 500GB PS3) is even CAPABLE of 3D output!!! This device has shown incredible ability and flex-ability since I got it November 17, 2006.

Name ONE other player sold then that can do what my PS3 can do now!

No lossless is a bummer, but I'm still proud of ya Fatty!

EricJ
  Sep 21, 2010
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I don't have speakers, and couldn't give a moon and sixpence about this-here "lossless" or DTS--
I'm just riding on the high of someone showing up on my doorstep at midnight and handing me a 3-D Blu-ray player for free.

ymmv
  Sep 21, 2010
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There is indeed a whole lot of bitching in this thread. The PS3 hardware design is four years old and so far has been able to keep with every update of the Blu-Ray specs with only slight limitations at best. On the other hand, just about every other standalone released before 3D won't be upgradable _at all_. If you want 3D and own a 6 month old Blu-Ray player, you've gotta buy a new player.
probedb
  Sep 21, 2010
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3D wasn't around when the PS3 came out.

I think the fact it can do 3D at all with just a firmware update....for free is pretty fecking awesome.
Nooff
  Sep 21, 2010
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Wow, the impression by some that the PS3 would be able to easily put out 3D with lossless audio is laughable! Come on, this thing is almost 5 years old, I'm suprised it can even put out 3D. You guys are implying "just" DTS or DD is a bad thing? Lol, I have heard DD and DTS tracks on Blu-ray discs that still blow you away. Get real!

vettesweetnos
  Sep 21, 2010
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I will take lossless audio, thanks.

bg_nyc
  Sep 21, 2010
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Sony announced 3D support earlier this month, and technically they have fulfilled that. Long term PS3 owners like myself should be happy. But recent buyers have a legit gripe, as this seems to contradict Sony's long track record of firmware updates that keep the PS3 at the cutting edge of technology. I am curious to know whether its a hardware issue or just a software fix.
Nooff
  Sep 21, 2010
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Believe me, Joe public doesn't even hear a difference between DTS HD-MA and regular DTS.

are1981
  Sep 21, 2010
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I don't understand that the Playstation 3 is capable of rendering games, but not playing back 1920x1080 at 48fps and lossless audio. I would think PS3 has more processing power that the latest Sony BD player. Don't it?

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Ashamed Pegasus
  Sep 21, 2010
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How long did Sony know this was an issue?... Seems odd that they would announce a 3D upgrade months ago then wait until the day it comes out to say it's only 1/2 an upgrade...

But the fact that they could even make it 3D in the first place is quite impressive...

are1981
  Sep 21, 2010
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Nooff - 10 minutes ago [50%] Vote plusVote minus Voted

Believe me, Joe public doesn't even hear a difference between DTS HD-MA and regular DTS.

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Agree, but they advertise BD as "the best thing since electricity", and it just isn't without lossless audio.
STD
  Sep 21, 2010
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Well I guess I am not enough of a nerd to care about lossless audio. I am happy with my ps3 now being 3d capable and I am sure 99% of the population are.

are1981
  Sep 21, 2010
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STD
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Well I guess I am not enough of a nerd to care about lossless audio. I am happy with my ps3 now being 3d capable and I am sure 99% of the population are.

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You don't have to work hard to become a nerd to care about that, you just have to have ears.
Nooff
  Sep 21, 2010
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@are1981
Blu-ray is more than just sound, the picture is still the very best thing. Nobody even thought the PS3 would be able to do 3D till Sony said so. Personally, I think the average consumer already knows there's better to be had out there PQ and AQ wise. I for one don't care about 3D, but I like the way Sony implemented this on an almost 5-year old console.

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BigNickUK
  Sep 21, 2010
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Free update on a system that was never designed for 3d.....nuff said

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thedarkangel1975
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ Jim Purcell this time I disagree with you. I think they are pushing 3D too much. 3D is better as a treat for certain movies, shows, etc. Making everything 3D is too much

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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For all the discussions about the PS3 possibly having only handicapped 3D video output I think it's pretty sweet that they're able to do full 1080p48 output. It's a shame they can't figure out lossless audio, but the PS3 really does so much already that while it can be considered a bit of a joke on the audio front, it's pretty impressive that one of the original Blu-ray players can be upgraded to full 3D output in the first place.

By the time I get into 3D I'll be looking to pick up a universal 3D player from Oppo and won't be using my PS3, but kudos to Sony for getting 3D into the PS3 period.

VioletsAreBlu
  Sep 21, 2010
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Oh... no! What are we going to do? WHAT-ARE-WE-GOING-TO-DO!!!

MD-Blu
  Sep 21, 2010
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Do I have to d/l the new firmware if I don't even watch 3D movies? I just want to keep the PS3 updated so I won't have no problems watching newer movies.

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Wdm81
  Sep 21, 2010
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3D is just mind control released by the government. NASA found it on the mars missions and is doing test runs with it on the unsuspecting public

everybody smash your Ps3 if you don't wanna be brainwashed!

aiman04
  Sep 21, 2010
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It can't send lossless tracks because of bandwidth issue, remember PS3 is using HDMI1.3, not 1.4 and that's hardware limitation. It's good that my PS3 will support 3D but I'm not looking forward to it. I prefer good quality 2D 1080p picture and lossless sound. Again, just stating my preference, not complaining. Used to own the old fat, but now I have the slim that bitstreams lossless audio codec and much quieter, and low power consumption as well. Loving it more than ever.
mrbmovie
  Sep 21, 2010
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I own a 1st generation PS3 and that has never supported the Looseness audio anyway, issue with the slim consoles I think its a hardware issue, not a software issue, :S when I will buy some 3D equipment some time in the future when the 3D not requires glasses, Im sure the 3D blu ray players price also has dropped, there is a really major sound difference between looseness sound if you amp. are able to decode it

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that1guystudios
  Sep 21, 2010
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Aiman04, the pS3 cannot pass the hd audio through due to a software/hardware limitation at this time. The HDMI spec is not the reason for the holdup. The menus are also flattened to 2D on certain BD-java menus to conserve processing and keep it within stable operating perameters.

neos_peace
  Sep 21, 2010
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It is a bit disappointing to know that the 3D par of the system won't be doing the lossless audio. HOWEVER, to know that the PS3 is a 3D machine and we are getting it "FREE" is cool enough. I won't be doing 3D yet anyway. WHen the TV's that use no glasses become affordable (if ever) then I'll get even more hiped about it. OH YEA don't forget when they STOP making EXCLUSIVES OF 3D MOVIES. yea know the 5-6 3D movies that are out. But at any rate. Its cool knowing we are getting basically a FREE 3D player out of this.

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PaulGo
  Sep 21, 2010
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/3771874-post49.html


However in the past Sony has been able to optimize code and include additional features so maybe they can find a solution.

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tilallr1
  Sep 21, 2010
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You guys are not realizing why 3D has been added to the PS3 ... not for movies ... but for gaming. After all, for all intents and purposes the PS3 is a glorified gaming console. Most games DO NOT come with lossless audio, so this isn't really any surprise that they do not offer it. Also, all games are not in full HD. So Sony is really doing this for future 3D games not movies. That's just a bonus.

But don't worry within the next year ... a fully 3D / lossless audio PS3 system will be released, or maybe the PS4.

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Wdm81
  Sep 21, 2010
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I think the majority of PS3 owners consider it a bluray player that also plays games, not the other way around
pikil
  Sep 21, 2010
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I think the reason is quite simple: The HDMI output of the PS3 is a 1.3a version, instead of the the new 1.4 which is promoted for the 3D. So they had to make a choice: Either having a full HD, 3D image and lossy audio , or having only a 720P one with lossless audio. I think the choice they made was the right one, because of curse, the image is more important for the 3D than the sound!!!

tacomaprime
  Sep 21, 2010
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Hmmm. Well when my ps3 died recently, I bought a standalone blu ray player from sony. Glad now that I did. I don't want to watch my movies half assed. If I wanted to do that, I would go to the theater.

bluflu
  Sep 21, 2010
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Another nice bonus for PS3 owners. Give people free steak, and some will complain about no steak sauce.

jamesf
  Sep 21, 2010
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Lossless will come , they just wanted to get the one up on the comp. If it can do lossless etc.. without 3D , I see no reason why it cannot do lossless etc.. with it . On the other hand it s just a computer and at some point all computers become out dated .
boredandlazy
  Sep 21, 2010
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So knowing the PS3 is only HDMI 1.3 and still supports 3D, does that mean if I use a PS3 I can get away with using only a HDMI 1.3 receiver? Probably not but I thought it'd be worth asking...

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ aiman04 It's not a bandwidth limitation with HDMI. The PS3 can pass 1080p60 video which is higher bandwidth than 1080p48 and 1080p60 is still nowhere near the 10.2Gbps bandwidth of HDMI 1.3. More likely it's a processing power issue implementing MVC/MPEG-4 decoding.

@ mrbmovie All generations of PS3's support lossless audio including your first generation console which also includes SACD support.

@ pikil not an issue with HDMI
mrbmovie
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ dobyblue Well what I mean is that the 1st generation PS3 can not send a bitstream signal to the amplifier :s
Post Prod
  Sep 21, 2010
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I love my PS3 but the excuses here for it are absurd.

I've had to put up with so much fanboi crap about how it's the end all be all. and then as soon as any news comes out that shows it has a limitation then somehow it's not the Ps3 fault, it's either a feature that doesn't matter (MKV local support) or it's one that should be forgiven because of it's age like this.

Look, we all know the Ps3 is old. and it's done amazingly well considering when it came out. and who is to say newer versions might not have hardware changes to allow for lossless and 3D? But for the love of crap, stop saying it's the best blu-ray player on the planet out of one side of your mouth while making excuses for it out the other. Even if it's in regards to a feature that doesn't matter to me or most people like 3D.

This is a piece of hardware we are talking about. Not a member of your family. There is no sane reason for anyone to invest this much emotionally into a piece of hardware. I somewhat blame the format war on this nonesense.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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I have a Panasonic 3D Blu-ray player and a launch 20GB PS3. I think it's kind of nifty to know I have teh PS3 for backup, but that's all it will be.

I can certainly understand people being dissapointed because Sony should have told us this a long time ago, assuming they knew it previously.

The PS3 is not competing with other 3D Blu-ray players, it's competing with the XBOX 360. You think the 360 has a prayer in hell of playing a 3D Blu-ray? It can't even play a 2D Blu-ray! I doubt it will ever play 3D games either. They can barely keep the things from bursting into flames as it is.

NzYme
  Sep 21, 2010
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lossless audio > 3D support 7 days a week and twice on Sunday!

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Dynamo of Eternia
  Sep 21, 2010
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Despite the limitations, the fact that the PS3 can even play 3D movies is really amazing. I really don't see what there is to complain about.

To put this into perspective, there are other players that have come out after the PS3 that are pretty much useless today (I'm looking at you, Samsung). When things like BD-J, some players just couldn't handle the firmware upgrades to get discs to play after a while. Heck, my first BD player was the Samsung BD-P1200. It was great at first but within 6 months or so of getting it, it was basically worthless (luckily I got it for free as an award.... I would have been REALLY angry if I had actually paid money out of my own pocket for it). I then bought a PS3 and haven't regretted it since.


In reference to Post Prod's rant, sure, there are better BD players on the market now than the PS3. This is true, and I certainly don't deny that. Still, I have yet to see any other player with the versatility of the PS3. While there are stand alone players now that don't have to limit one function in order to use another, these new players are probably still limited in their future upgradability. I think at one point most of us thought that when Blu-Ray went to profile 2.0, that was going to be it for major changes to the format. But now we have this 3D thing. Who knows what future changes/upgrades may be instore that we haven't even thought of yet.

Odds are today's current players that are better for playing Blu-Rays than PS3 won't be upgradable to any future changes that may occur. But there's a good chance that the PS3 could be upgraded to accomodate future changes/upgrades, even if utilizing that new feature limits the extent to which other features can be used at the same time.

I'm not knocking stand alone players. The point is that they just aren't as upgradable, and anyone who has an older stand alone player now will HAVE to go out and get a new 3D Blu-Ray player in order to watch a movie in 3D if they wish to do so. People who have a PS3 at least have an option that allows them to do so without spending more money on a player immediately.

surfdude12
  Sep 21, 2010
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@Jim Purcell: 3D is not new. They've been beating this dead horse for 30 years. I remember in 1983 we bought 3D glasses to watch a 3D movie on TV. It was supposedly "new" back then...Yeah...that's 27 years ago.
Jimmy Smith
  Sep 21, 2010
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Remember this is a free upgrade and we originally didn't believe the Playstation 3 could do 1080p 3D at all. The Playstation 3 wasn't designed for 3D playback the fact that it can do 1080p 3D at all is remarkable. It was inevidible the nearly 4 year old console would be limited somehow. This is a serious limitation and a good reason to own a dedicated player for 3D.

I just wonder if it can't do 1080p 3D and lossless audio Id think it could surely do lossless audio playing in 3D at 1080i or 720p. Right?
Yagbols
  Sep 21, 2010
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@surfdude12: you're talking about old 3D technology. The one that used the crappy 'red' and 'cyan' glasses...the anaglyph 3D. We are now in the age of the 'new' 3D: the RealD 3D technology, the fusion camera system technology, the active shutter glasses technology, etc etc...it's many many times better than the 'old' 3D

3D is awesome and it is here to stay whether some people like it or not

cynatnite
  Sep 21, 2010
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The PS3 is a great piece of equipment. This update saves on having to buy a 3D player. We'll check out the TVs and maybe take the plunge if the price is right.

bajor27
  Sep 21, 2010
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Would definitely rather have lossless than 3D
Post Prod
  Sep 21, 2010
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I have 3 players. Boughten/reviewed countless stand-alones since launch. Certainly changed my view of Samsung for the foreseeable future. Hint: not in a good way.

Oppo-83 for theater room.
Sony 570 for the living room. if my hate for 3D cools down I'll use this player.
and PS3 slim in the bedroom.

I've boughten 6 PS3s to date. and recommended them to many peers and clients. I just recommend it less and less as time goes on, since it simply isn't the best player for everyone, for the money. For some people it's leaps and bounds, still the best decision.


To PS3 bashers or cynical owners I say just relax and wait. Wait for there to be an actual library of titles you want to watch on 3d, wait to see if CE companies are still pushing and supporting the current 3D tech in a year. No point in getting your panties ina bunch over milk that might not even spill. Sure Sony marketing could've done a better job in waiting until they had all the info on their 3D implementation, and we could've avoided this crybaby jib, but they didn't, welcome to consumer electronics. Where their marketing and PR fails, their R&D shines, if there is a way for the PS3 to do something, and enough demand, it will probably happen.

To the PS3 apologists and cult followers and 360 bashers. How much is Sony paying you? Where do I sign up?

For the purpose of full disclosure, I own a PS3, 360 and a Wii. and I love all 3 of them dearly. But as a gamer on his 4th 360, I will always have a 360 in the house, love that little box. If only I could sue my 360 controller to play games on the Ps3.

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devilnamedBuena
  Sep 21, 2010
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It can't do everything. It can't even play PS2 games. It's good for a lot but not for where it counts. And I love how people are defending it against the complaints where audio is concerned. You're probably the same people that criticized HD DVD for not having lossless audio. Does that mean HD DVD is okay now?

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BD4Life
  Sep 21, 2010
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I only care about having lossless audio along a 1080p picture, Ill pass on 3D but thanks for the update to play the content.
jdmac29
  Sep 21, 2010
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To me this will kinda hurt 3D sales. Blu Ray was pushed heavily with the PS3 in mind. I figured they would do the same with 3D considering they would do the same with the number of PS3's sold already. Most people won't care but lossless audio is important in movies but maybe not games.

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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"Would definitely rather have lossless than 3D"

This doesn't make sense, they have not taken away lossless. You can't get lossless while watching 3D content, so if you don't want 3D you've got lossless.

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Trogdor2010
  Sep 21, 2010
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That is disappointing that it doesn't do lossless audio with 3D. I am glad that it could do 3D nonetheless, and I bet there will be a firmware update to fix it!

What I am hoping sony will do... SUBTITLE PLACEMENT! Something simple as moving player created lettering on the picture is pretty simple. I'm in the CIH crowd, so I have a reason to rant about that when a good number of blu rays (Kung fu Hustle, Broken Embraces; also sony produced movies) I can't even watch properly on my scope screen. I just wish that it could do that.

maxsterling
  Sep 21, 2010
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This upgrade doesn't matter to most of us to be honest. 3D tvs are still cost prohibitive and until the prices of said tvs come down will many of us consider replacing our current HDtvs. That being said I tell everybody this is the the proper mindset when buying tech items; find out what features you want and how much you want to spend then work backwards and find the piece of tech that as close as possible that meets your needs. I have to admit the PS3(60 GB) is my main Blu-Ray player but I'm not upset by it's limitations since I bought it for it's abilities at purchase, especially PS2 backwards compatibility, card reader. and wireless connectivity. With that mindset any updates that add features for free are dividends on an investment.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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For all those people saying they want lossless audio instead of 3D.....do you realize that you already have that? This update isn't going to take away your lossless audio. In fact, the PS3 was the FIRST BD player to give you DTS HD MA. By the way, my PS3 plays PS2 games. Don't blame Sony because you were late to the party.

I have owned HD DVD since it hit shelves. It was a great introduction to HD, but Blu-ray was like a mother spanking HD DVD at K-Mart. I STILL own a couple of HD DVD titles that I can play on my PC, but I gave most of the remaining discs away along with the HD DVD player to the guy that bought my last HDTV. And he was fairly reluctant to even accept it. In fact he said "Do I HAVE to take those things?", ha ha. But what am I going to do with it? Anyone can see that it's worthless, just like the 360 HD DVD add-on.

I also had a 360 for awhile. I got it for Dead Rising and a couple of other games I wanted to play. I was not impressed. Half the time it didn't even recognize its own game discs and it froze a lot. It was also loud and got very hot. Plus the menu system was just bizarre.

So I set about trying to sell it...but nobody would touch it! That's how I found out about the red rings of death. Finally I sold it to a guy who owned a book resale shop.

I never bought a Wii because well....that's just stupid. I have no interest in baby games with a new-fangled power glove.
If you're into motion controllers, nobody can touch the Playstation Move which comes out soon.

phatrat1982
  Sep 21, 2010
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well I could care less one way or the other I have no intention of ever owning a PS3, but the sentament that joe public doesnt care about audio is very much false. I know more people who put a priority on audio quality than video quality when it comes to movies. The same people who will spend the thousands of dollars on a state of the art audio set up for their SD flat tube tv set with a DVD player. the same people who spend their entire salary on putting in the best sound systems in their cars and installing DVD players for the DVD-A format so they can get the best sound possible. Those people who all tell me audio makes more of a difference to them than video the same people who know HD looks good, but are more impressed with awesome surround sound. I personally am one who thinks it is all an experience, I want the best I can get. so Blu Ray is that, best PQ and best AQ so if a player could not provide me with that kick ass audio but still give kick ass video, I'd be marginally disapointed but not entirely upset. But I know people who would think it sucks.


On the other hand everyone of those people I know who are like that are 360 fanboys who dont care about 3d anyways so the PS3 isnt even an option for them so I guess it dont matter either way. But dont underestimate regular people. Most of these people who have ipod with crappy mp3, still have decent set ups for listening to cd's or better and still care a lot about quality even if they dont mind having compressed audio you know on the go in a tiny head phone where it doesnt matter.

EricJ
  Sep 21, 2010
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"well I could care less one way or the other I have no intention of ever owning a PS3, but the sentament that joe public doesnt care about audio is very much false."

...Don't you mean Joe Sixpack, the one who was going to buy HD-DVD because the players were cheaper?

Seriously, I live in an apartment, and the world of Home Theater Audio Systems is closed off to me: Even if they could be played at an acceptable level without driving my neighbors to kill me, I just don't have ROOM for surround speakers...I wouldn't have a living room left if I did. I've never known what half the "I can't live without lossless!" techies here talk about, and I've never once been curious.
As a result, I watch movies with my eyes, not my ears--And 3-D's candy for the eyes. Maybe you're complaining about not getting two things for free instead of getting one, but those of us who take charity have found a nice Christmas present in their stocking. That, as the saying goes, is gratitude for ya.

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ckenisell
  Sep 21, 2010
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fettastic, the Playstation MOVE is already out and kicks the pants off of the Wii.
b2009
  Sep 21, 2010
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I have a question I hope someone can answer it.
If I update my ps3 to the new firmware, and when I watch regular BD would I have Lossless Audio?
The reason I I'm asking that is because I I'm not going to be watching 3d movies at all, cause I have no interest in it at all.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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Downloading it now. It's either a really big file or it is the most downloaded update ever because it's pretty slow right now.

@chenisell- I couldn't remember exactly when it came out, I just knew it was very soon. I'm not particularly interested in it personally, but who knows. I was thinking about getting it for my girlfriend's daughter for Christmas so maybe I'll check it out then.

@b2009- I think you are speaking for a lot of people on here. The answer, very plainly is YES, if you watch a 2D Blu-ray on the PS3 after the update, you can still get lossless audio. It's only when you watch in 3D that the PS3 will downmix the signal.
huston
  Sep 21, 2010
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I'M CONFUSED They mention Coraline in their 3D rant, but that blu ray was FAKE 3D in that is was the old red and blue glasses, NOT the 3D that was shown in the theater. Why are they saying the Blu Ray will be affected or have anything to do with the new 3D upgrade???
Twile
  Sep 21, 2010
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I don't understand how people are surprised the PS3 "can do 3D at all". God of War III wasn't out when the PS3 came out, but the PS3 can play God of War III. Rock Band wasn't out when the PS3 came out, but the PS3 can play Rock Band. The PS3 is not, and was not sold as, a Blu-ray player. It's not some dumb piece of $100 hardware that takes linear audio/video data and spits out pictures. It's a gaming system with a Blu-ray player, and being a modern gaming system means that it's programmable and updatable. Stop comparing it to cheapo players which are little more than glorified high-def DVD players and setting yourself up to be amazed that a much more expensive and flexible system is able to be updated to do more.

This is not some shocking novel feature that you should praise Sony for working magic to partially offer. It's a simple patch to a premium company's premium-priced premium gaming system.

I do have to wonder what's keeping them from fully supporting it, though. It would be quite distressing if the added load of decoding lossless audio (a few percent of CPU load on my laptop) was the straw that broke the camel's back, especially when you consider that the systems doing audio (CPU) and video (GPU) decoding should be quite separate. We can only hope that there is some other issue keeping lossless audio + 3D from cooperating, which may be resolved in the future.

I leave you with another way of viewing this which may cast the situation in a different light: the PS3 may be almost 4 years old, but it's also still being sold at an entry point of $300 (and let's not forget that games are $10 extra, per the console norm, to subsidize the cost of the system). Sony's not pulling up a three-generation-old product from the dark and dusty recesses of their catalog, and retrofitting it with a radical new feature. They're shipping a new high-end model with half-assed 3D support, and because that model uses the same platform as their previous models, they're pushing the update to those as well. Is it cool that it's free? Sure. Is it some huge gift that they get nothing out of and are going hugely out of their way to offer? Not really.

Sent from my Sony Vaio.

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Yojimbo68
  Sep 21, 2010
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FAIL.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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I would also like to point out that unless you have a brand-spanking-new 3D capable receiver....you couldn't get lossless audio with 3D ANYWAY!

@huston- Anaglyph 3D isn't "fake" 3D, it's just really old, crappy technology that was invented for old, crappy TVs. The Coraline you are referring to is a DIFFERENT Blu-ray than the one addressed in the review. That is the Full HD shutter-glasses version exclusive to Panasonic 3DTVs. Hopefully we will be able to buy it before the end of the year.
Post Prod
  Sep 21, 2010
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Fett- nice to remind people the Ps3 also doesn't have analog outputs.

Which is nice work around for folks that have a 1.3 AVR and a stand-alone with analog outs.

I would imagine soon a 1.4 hdmi splitter will be available from companies like monoprice as a work around as well. Which is a good solution for Ps3 owners if/when lossless + 3D is made available.

mihajlonet
  Sep 21, 2010
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I can see that you're all smarty pants... Help me with something, please!
Can I buy some projector now, hook it up to my PS3 and play Blu-rays in 3D?
Post Prod
  Sep 21, 2010
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3D capable projectors were just announced from Sony and JVC. They're quite pricey, but should be available within the next couple of months. SO in short, no, but soon and expensive.

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ huston - the product page for the new 3D version of Coraline fettastic has pointed out is here:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Coraline-3D-Blu-ray/11655/

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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@Post Prod- can you name a gaming console that DOES have multi-analog outs? Again, 3D support is a BONUS FEATURE of the PS3. Nobody except Sony themselves is paying a dime for it. If people want 3D with lossless audio then they can go get a Panasonic 3D player with a seperate HDMI port like I did, or some other $400 player.

Life is about choices folks. It's not up to Sony to change your diaper for you.

are1981
  Sep 21, 2010
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Post Prod
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If only I could sue my 360 controller to play games on the Ps3.

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Off topic, but anyway... I agree! I like that controller better. But the best "traditional/buttons only" controller, is the GameCube controller.

The perfect traditional controller, with elements from the following:
GameCube controller: The lower analogue shoulder buttons with "click", and casing
Xbox controller: The face buttons and sticks
Playstation 3 controller: The rechargeability and bluetooth connectivity

kingofgrills
  Sep 21, 2010
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Hey, overall it's great that the PS3 is capable of outputting 3D in 1080p, and not 1080i as most people assumed the case would be early on. Who knows? Perhaps with further optimization, lossless audio will be added back to the mix at some point.

Anyway, as a launch day purchaser of the PS3, I am quite pleased my machine is 3D capable. I'm not on the 3D bandwagon right now, and don't have any plans to. However, if my TV goes out at some point, I might consider 3D.

Sheesh! My PS3 plays just about everything! (Everything except for DVD-A discs)
Post Prod
  Sep 21, 2010
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We're talking about blu-ray's here Fett. This IS blu-ray.com after all. Not a game console forum. If you want to debate the best gaming console, we can do it on another site. We are talking about blu-ray features on blu-ray players for blu-ray enthusiasts. You can't just short stump the Ps3 as just a console when it suits you, stay on subject.


and You can buy a Sony or Sammy blu-ray player for around $200, possibly cheaper 3D player options. and the switch, when available will probably be about 20 bucks. Not a huge Panny fan, I'm glad you like yours, as you keep remind everyone every other post.
HeartPalmeiras
  Sep 21, 2010
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to me all that matters is that it can play lossless with 2d BD even after the update. to me that's all that matters. i don't really care for 3d. though it is cool that it can output 1080P to each eye since when it was first reported they had said it'd only be 1080I.

to me it goes like this... as long as it is not getting in the way of the features available when playing 2d BD I'm ok with it.

I use my PS3 (80GB) as my main BD player and gaming as well of course. love it and have never had a single problem with either of these capabilities. I also output lossless audio with my PS3. the only thing I wish it could do that it does not is being an all regions BD player, but I will be getting an Oppo soon for this purpose.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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So what exactly are you whining about Post Prod?

Minimejer05
  Sep 21, 2010
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That sucks. Thank god I got a standalone 3D Blu Ray player for whenever I go 3D. I bet PS3 will figure out an update by then though.
b2009
  Sep 21, 2010
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Everyone needs to chill out on this .... Just say thanks and move on
HDPlasma
  Sep 21, 2010
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<Amillennialist - 10 hours ago
So, it doesn't do "everything." >

No, it doesn't but now they are essentially taking away core functionality.
On top of that, you only get 3D in 1080i.

It's a nice gesture that Sony added 3D support but it appears the "super powerful all encompussing" PS3 has hit it's limit.

The PS3 is for ever falling down the ladder as one of the top blu-ray players as new specs and players come out as being one of the top players.
That's ok though, it's still a great game machine that has basic blu-ray functionality.
cizel21
  Sep 21, 2010
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Let me go ahead and say I OWN the SAMSUNG 55C8000, one pair of 3D Shutter Glasses, and now I own a 'solid' 3D Blu-ray Player (PS3). At the time I didnt purchase "bundled Kits with movies" or anything, much less spend the extra dollar on a player knowing that the PS3 would be capable of 3D, and also not KNOWING IF 3D WOULD WORK OUT ANYWAY. But to my surprise it did. NOW THAT I TECHNICALLY OWN A 3D player which of course AT THIS POINT IN TIME doesn't support loseless audio, I can still base my decision on POSSIBLY BUYING A FULL PLEDGED 3D BLU-RAY PLAYER based totally OFF OF PICTURE. THATS ALL 3D is anyway PICTURE NOT SOUND. SO BASED OFF THAT, I will decide if i think buying a straight up 3D PLAYER would be worth it. I OWN CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS 3D, and it LOOKS INSANE, SOUNDS FINE, but like I said for now I'll TAKE MY FREE 3D PLAYER and ENJOY what little 3D content I have. THANKS SONY

And for those of you who are complaining, just go out and BUY A 3D PLAYER and get off SONYS DING DONG because we all just got something special today.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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@HDPLasma- What the holy hell are you talking about? What "core functionality" is being taken away? Where's you get this 1080i crap?
HDPlasma
  Sep 21, 2010
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Core functionality = lossless audio, which is not supported for 3D.
3D on the PS3 is only 1080i, not 1080p.

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toddly6666
  Sep 21, 2010
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Oh how sad - now I have to watch Cats & Dogs: The Return of Pussy Galore with Dolby Digital 5.1.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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@HDPlasma- 3D is not in the PS3 "core functionality" spec, so how can lossless audio while watching 3D be?

And no, you are wrong. I just watched it and it is full 1080p in 3D. Did you not bother to actually read the article you are responding to?

Sith
  Sep 21, 2010
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It doesn't say there can't be an update in the future does it? Whatever, when/if I go 3d I guess I'll buy my second blu ray player. No biggy. Can't really hold it against a 4 year old machine.
Hale-Bopp
  Sep 21, 2010
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Holy cow, my PS3 can now do 1080p 3D? Awesome!!!

I never would have imagined this back when I first got my PS3. Thanks, Sony!

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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@Hale-Bopp- Congratulations! You just had the PROPER response to this news!
bettZysdaddy
  Sep 21, 2010
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Meh, 3D is just a fad. Just wait till it dies.

Lyle_JP
  Sep 21, 2010
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SACD was a more viable, useful format than 3-D. I predict 3-D's death within two years.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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@Lyle_JP- I'm an early adopter and I never even heard of SACD until I got a PS3. I have to wonder how many people had SACD players. Probably not very many. And those that did probably didn't even realize it. But even if they did, they never released anything but classical and a couple of other obscure things so why would anyone bother?

Compare that to the 3DTVs retailers can't keep on the shelves and people scrambling for 3DBDs that go for hundreds of dollars on ebay. Recall any SACDs doing that? Me neither. So I think your comparison is pretty ridiculous.
unanimous scum
  Sep 21, 2010
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bummer
eco10530
  Sep 21, 2010
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By the time, I get into 3D blu-rays, (two to three years) they may have support for lossless audio + 3D video simultaneously.

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that1guystudios
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ HDPlasma, the ps3 does 1080p to each eye. It looks great. The update was free, so I don't understand the negativity. I'm excited to have a second 3D blu-ray player that I didn't have the day before.

amarster
  Sep 21, 2010
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so if you download the latest 3.5 update you lose the lossless bitstream truehd audio, im not touching this update until I get the much needed confirmation you can disable the 3D update and restore the lossless audio bitstream...sorry chapman, just keep lighting it up in real life until I can get the latest live roster of the show

dolphinc
  Sep 21, 2010
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One more reason why I won't be drinking the 3D coolaid.
supercutz
  Sep 21, 2010
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I'm confident Sony will address these temporary limitations that had to be made in order to get 3D visuals in future firmware updates.

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DAMNSAM77
  Sep 21, 2010
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wow! guess its time to finally buy a dedicated BD player. Or wait until Sony re-engineers their microchips, again.
lemon-head
  Sep 21, 2010
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Thought I join in on the fun. I've used the ps3 both as a gamer and blu-ray for several months. Yes it has tons of nice features (we all know what they are) but as a blu-ray player, it didn't satisfy my a/v needs.
I later purchase an oppo-83se and it blew away the ps3 in every a/v aspect. For anybody who has a 3d hdtv and did the ps3 3d upgrade please post your impressions on its 3d video quality.

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fettastic
  Sep 21, 2010
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@amarster- *sigh* You know what? Nevermind.

crackinhedz
  Sep 21, 2010
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personally, I don't know that I'll ever get around to the 3D realm, but lossy Dts and Dolby still sound pretty f'n good. Not a big deal if you ask me and not sure why so many are raising a stink??

The more my PS3 can do, the merrier.

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ Post Prod

Actually we have a Blu-ray Games subforum here, as well as movies, TV, off topic, hot deals, PC drives, plasmas, LCD's, projectors, speakers, receivers, etc., etc., hardly a sustainable argument that this site is only about Blu-ray movies on blu-ray players for blu-ray enthusiasts.

Way to sell the site short.

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ amarster - NO YOU DO NOT LOSE LOSSLESS AUDIO. Which article are you reading? You cannot get lossless audio with 3D Blu-ray's, NOTHING CHANGES WITH 2D PLAYBACK.
Write it out 20 times so everyone else gets it.
With Update 3.50 - NOTHING CHANGES WITH 2D PLAYBACK.
With Update 3.50 - NOTHING CHANGES WITH 2D PLAYBACK.
With Update 3.50 - NOTHING CHANGES WITH 2D PLAYBACK.
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Oilers
  Sep 21, 2010
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Let's relax people. If you want to get into 3D you will get e free 3d Blu Ray player anyway. PS3 support for 3D is a plus.
Denni
  Sep 21, 2010
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For me, the lossless sound is even more of a selling point that the HD picture.

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dobyblue
  Sep 21, 2010
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@ Denni - it is for me too, I've watched my Blu-rays from November 2006 until Summer 2010 on a 32" 480i CRT, it's always been mostly about the audio for me.

I would be up in arms if they had taken away lossless audio for regular Blu-ray's, but as they haven't this update is completely inconsequential to me.

muzrik
  Sep 21, 2010
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Just as before almost giving us what we want, but no!!!! Surprise you need to buy a new Blu-Ray player for now to get all the right stuff working. Then 3 or so years down the line out come the update that will sort it out!! Sounds familiar

frogmort
  Sep 21, 2010
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For people that don't understand what lossless is, it is an exact copy of what the sound engineer that mixed your movies heard. Lossy is compressed and looses actual bits of sound information like a crappy old mp3. If you live in an apartment, you can still benefit from much clearer dialog, more defined bass, cleaner highs and just generally better sound quality. You don't have to crank the crap out of it in order to enjoy better sound (but why not!). As for me, I'm still waiting for firmware to go from 2D to 1D.

mr. b
  Sep 21, 2010
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I HAVE A 3D CAPABLE MACHINE! I CAN PLAY 3D MOVIES AND GAMES ON MY SLIM PS3! WOOOOHOOOO!

Now, does anyone wanna lend me some 3d movies and their 3D capable HDTV?
krisztoforo
  Sep 22, 2010
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What I do not understand is that if the reason for not supporting the lossless audio is processing power issues, then why is bitstreaming the lossless audio disabled, too?

X400
  Sep 22, 2010
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Considering its a free upgrade this is great... Who in their right mind even expected 3D could be on the PS3???

I didn't expect Lossless to be cut out too but to get the 3D experience without having to buy new equipment is Great especially if you consider it a Trial experience and then if you've decided you want the full experience you can get a dedicated 3D player

Yoeddy1
  Sep 22, 2010
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PS3 owners...pwned.
steelers1
  Sep 22, 2010
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this is all and great but monsters vs aliens dosent work with this update. on my ps3 anyway and i here others are having problems to.

oddmania
  Sep 22, 2010
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so this affects only the slim PS3 ?

what about the bulky one's ? I have the 80 GB will it be affected to ?
Russell22
  Sep 22, 2010
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For free you cant really complain. I havent downloaded it yet but its nice to know i'll have a 3D player if i decided to get into the bare bones 3D market !

DefTechPioElite
  Sep 22, 2010
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Meh I don't have a 3D TV anyway. But I'm happy the option is there, with or without the lossless. PS3 is a great machine still for sure!

slimdude
  Sep 22, 2010
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PS3 is primarily a game console anyway, and they are not expected to have every high end A/V technology that's being developed.

sardaukar1977
  Sep 22, 2010
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Who cares, until I get a 3D tv, (that does not require GLASSES) Ill worry about it then.

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that1guystudios
  Sep 22, 2010
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Steelers, Monsters Vs aliens works perfectly on my PS3 slim. Losless audio is still available when watching films in 2D. Bitstreaming or setting to linear PCM makes no difference on the PS3 or classic "fatty" it will only play back as lossy or renderthe lossy audio as PCM sound. The only people Effected by this limitation are people who have purchased a 3D compatible HDMI 1.4 compliant receiver. Everyone else would have to connect the HDMi cable directly to the TV and then pass the Audio out using an optical cable which is limited to lossy anyway. It is my belief that Sony will be able to release an update that allows for the audio to be decoded on the slim only, but that menus will always need to be rendered flat if they are encoded using Bd-J.
HDPlasma
  Sep 22, 2010
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<mr. b - 11 hours ago
Now, does anyone wanna lend me some 3d movies and their 3D capable HDTV? >

Why?
Some PS3 owners believe that because the PS3 can now play 3D, they can slap in a 3D disc and get full 3D from their current 2D HDTV.
Try it. If you get the right glasses and get in the right frame of mind, you will see full 3D.

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repete66211
  Sep 22, 2010
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Bummer, now we can't hear lossless audio for that one 3D movie currently available.

mr. b
  Sep 22, 2010
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< HDPlasma - 2 hours ago

Why?
Some PS3 owners believe that because the PS3 can now play 3D, they can slap in a 3D disc and get full 3D from their current 2D HDTV.
Try it. If you get the right glasses and get in the right frame of mind, you will see full 3D.>

LOL! I might just do that now once I get my hand on some glasses. To get in the "right frame of mind," I'll probably have to smoke some special herb also, huh?
steelers1
  Sep 22, 2010
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that1guypictures: iam glad to here yours work fine. i have the ps3 fat 60 gig and monster vs alien 3d doesn't even show up on the gui. i spend a lot of time on avforum and there is alot of people having problems on there ps3 to. some have no problem and some do. its going to be interesting to see what sony does. what is your opinion on this. thanks

Schrute Farms
  Sep 22, 2010
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Lossless Audio > 3D Just my opinion

I think Sony offering the capability as a free update is pretty awesome though. I love how Sony makes me feel better and better about my decision to buy the PS3 in 2007. I didn't even play a game on it for months.
duckman
  Sep 22, 2010
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Mcstyvie .....75% of the fun of blu-ray is the sound? Really the sound? OK OK but its the sound that draws you to the blu-ray format. Im throwing my ps3 the heck out and unpacking my upconverting dvd player.


Sorry about the sarcasm but the stunning visual eye candy sucked us all in
I-C-Blue
  Sep 23, 2010
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So say we just play the 3D blu-ray disc on a non-3d HD TV (since I don't have one) and it'll play the 3D blu-ray back as a 2D movie since it's backwards compatible, will I still be getting lossless audio since no 3D would be going on or is it just defaulted to 3D blu-rays playing back on PS3 with no lossless audio? Can anyone confirm this?
daan
  Oct 01, 2010
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Hi, I really hope someone can help me. I've got two 3d blu rays but when I play them on my PS3 I hear no sound at all...I tried every kind of settings I believe. The 3d image is perfect but again, no sound at all.
Can anybody help?


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