French filmmaker Jean-Pierre Jeunet, director of Alien Resurrection, has revealed on his personal blog that, unlike Ridley Scott for Alien and James Cameron for Aliens, he wasn't invited to supervise the remastering of his movie, included in the Alien Anthology Blu-ray. Jeunet has said that the BD of the fourth Alien installment has the picture quality of "a very mediocre DVD."
Jeunet sarcastically cites the tagline for the new box set: "On Blu-ray, everybody will hear you scream" only to add: "They got that right - scream with rage!"
On the other hand, Jeunet did supervise the remaster for the Blu-ray release of his first film, Delicatessen. He said that most of the sequences have been "de-grained," removing almost all the grain. He explains that there is some grain left "on some shots filmed on 400 ASA stock, and that would become too soft if we de-grained them more. The colors are like we had always wanted, and the result is, albeit imperfect, amazing if we compare it with what we were working from."
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Just watched Alien Resurrection BD last night from this set in my review copy and it looks just as good as the rest. Wonder if this is more about money than anything. Jeunet is not Cameron or Ridley. In fact I think it looked much better than Alien 3, but then again it might just be that I liked it more than Alien3. I don't get where he's saying this other than from a money standpoint.
This sounds like a classic case of French "If you do not respect me by kissing my backside as a matter of etiquette I shall go on strike and refuse to like you, and I shall be entitled as a matter of justice to poison your dog..." blah blah blah.
Sounds like Le Film c'est Moi.... He's lucky they hired him in the first place...
Relax JP! 99% of all the purchasers were in for the first TWO MOVIES & Bonus Content. Your movie was pretty much a throw in, deal with it....OR better yet, just surrender. Historically that has always been the best choice for the French.
I saw this movie once in theatres when it was first released. I enjoyed it a lot. I am looking forward to seeing it again on Blu. Based on all the hate it gets from the majority, I always think I was young (and therefore easily impressed back then.) Fox seems to be building a record of bad relationships with French directors (a couple of years ago, Mathieu Kassovitz understandably disowned the theatrical cut of Babylon A.D.)
He is right, the movie does not look good. Did someone above here say it looks as good as the rest???? If it does you should replace every component in your home theater setup because the first two look extremely better. I'm sure JP will be fine once he gets his first check from the profits of the box. He'll forget all about how bad the transfer is but unfortunately I will still remember how bad the movie is.
What's with the French bashing? A man's unhappy that he was not asked to supervise a transfer of a film he made. That's it. Mediocre film or not [and it is] there's no need for bashing a nationality. If an American director complained, and that director was met with "Americans - ignorant whiners", then there'd be many an outcry. I don't think too many Alien fans would notice AR's transfer - the movie is almost unanimously the worst of the lot. I could have done without the entire disc.
I don't agree that it is really a bad movie. To be honest, Cameron and Scott did not leave any filmmaker anywhere to go with their entry's into the series. I have grown to love 3 and 4 overtime based on different criteria. The cast in 4 is amazing if you look at it, but some of the things done on screen leave you wondering wtf?
Ive always loved Resurrection in my own way, but I also understand why they didn't invite Jeunet to the remastering session. I don't think there was one. I think they probably just found a very financially efficient way to transfer the print they had from archives or whatever and didn't want to invest money to remaster it properly. In some ways, I can totally understand. So few care about the film, and the process could have upped the cost of the project with little to no boost to set sales. In its defense, the transfer is good enough for what most fans need. Its a guilty pleasure, not a film they generally would screen for others.
Agree with the film maker. The transfer was the worst in the set of 4. I was actually quite astonished considering it was the newer of the 4 films. Especially after watching Alien and Aliens, which were amazing transfers. But in no ways was Alien Resurrection a poor DVD quality transfer. So I think he is a bit off his rocker.
Also based on his comments about de-graining his other film he is remastering, that means to me excessive DNR application. Which would actually lead to a crappy soft picture no one wants. So I think we might be better off without him touching this film again.
I thought Alien Resurrection looked pretty decent. But as others have said, it should have looked a little better as it is the most recent. However it is my least favorite.
They go in order from best to worse. Alien is the greatest. Aliens was very awesome, but I still like Alien much more. I loved Alien 3, especially the extended cut of it, as I am a huge David Fincher fan. And then the last one, what was it called? O yeah, Alien Resurrection.
I was very happy with all the transfers of the Alien Anthology films. I was not disappointed in the least.
I can understand what the director is saying. However he should know by now that it is pretty much everyone's least favorite film in the series.
I thought I should post an additional comment, translated into win-win self-esteem friendly Ameri-speak: JP Jeunet swings hard and almost hits the ball out of the park with Alien Resurrection, in spite of being put on the spot by the studio and given the tough assignment of directing the fourth instatement in a legendary franchise. So many people love the Alien movies, and who wouldn't, that you're bound to disappoint someone, even with awesome effects and super cast. JP should feel great and go on to his next project with renewed confidence in his considerable film making abilities after what has to have been an amazing journey for him with this classic material. Nit picking fans may complain, but this is a first class effort to finish out a franchise that may have been pushed one film too far by demanding studio bosses. You go JP! We're all winners when you work!
Who gives a fuck what Jean Pierre-Jeunet thinks? Amelie? City of Lost Kiddies? Delicatessen? Dry heave. Cmon folks, this guy may be the most overrated director about whom no one quite gives enough of a shit about to dispute/validate "overrated" comments about to exist. What a skid mark on legit french cinema. I know I don't really need to mention Amelie is the one obligatory French flick that every "collector nerd" that doesnt give two shits about cinema in of itself owns, but, well, I'll mention it anyway.
Comments making fun of "the french" with their strikes and all should be deleted right away. I'm a (french) moviegoer just like the rest of you and i dislike reading stupid comments on the fact that Mr Jeunet wasn't implied in a possible restoration of his film, bad or not that is not the question, french or not that is not the question.
What I`ve read from reviews Alien Resurrection IS a bad transfer. I just cannot believe Jeunet is after money. 1st of all he cannot be that poor - and not everyone of us is after cheap cash. I believe he wanted to present his movie in the best possible way - and that`s it! A.R. is not so bad film, just do not as brilliant as 1st two in the series ... and for being late, should every director check films that are being published, so one could contact studios and beg for getting involved ? Jeunet just probably saw the film from BR, so he was able to make the comment only now ...
I said I agree the transfer was not that great. But if he honestly thinks its near DVD quality at all ... yes ... he is off his rocker. The PQ kicks the living crap out of both DVD sets.
As for film grain .... you clearly have no idea what the removal of film grain does to the picture quality. If you think that excessive DNR application (remove of film grain) is required for all catalogue titles, then your off your rocker as well.
"Comments making fun of "the french" with their strikes and all should be deleted right away..."
People need to be free to express their opinions, and if it's done in a humorous way then the burden is on the reader to have a reasonable outlook. The idea that the French are somehow off limits is in and of itself stereotypical. The attitudes toward this sort of thing are VERY different in France than they are in the US, and as this is an international website one would hope that the answer would be for us all to be tolerant, not for us all to shut up and tip toe around. How much fun would that be? The French do a lot of things that seem unusual in Anglo ad Germanic countries (who knows what the Chinese think...), and of course they have their own issues with the English the Germans and the Americans (and probably the Martians also...). As a long time resident of Paris, I understand these sensibilities from both sides. Censorship is not an answer to your problem. A better argument or comment is the answer to your problem.
I had the Aliens DVD Set before and I didn't even bothe watching AR. I wish it was never made. It was a bad addition to the series. They should just leave it out of the Blu-ray set altogether. AR blows.
City of Lost Children, Amelie & Delicatessen are listed among the top 100 French films of all time! Your bashing of Jean Pierre-Jeunet is ridiculous, as are all the general criticisms of French films here. You bashers don't own Criterion's amazing 400 Blows, Wages Of Fear, The Last Metro or Breathless? Or La Femme Nikita? The French have incredible films in their library...broaden your horizons a bit.
As for Alien Resurrection--why blame Jeunet for the film? How about a little blame for the execs at Fox, who continued milking this franchise like every other (another Die Hard decades later, at PG-13 no less, Aliens vs. Predators garbage, etc). How about a little blame for Dan O'Bannon who wrote the screenplay? Fact is, this "franchise" should have ended with Cameron's great sequel...blame Fox for trying to create a money tree. That studio (and network) sucks anyway!
Did you not read the entirety of my comment(s)? I own literally every blu rendition of every non-JPJ flick you just cited. 'Broaden your horizons'? Lecturing to the wrong audience buddy. JPJ is a post-late night snack tummy rumble (lmfao) attempting (and failing, in an almost endearing toddler-taking-those-first-steps way) to stand upon the shoulders of giants Personally, I find my highly unorthodox continued references to flatulence highly appropriate, given the whole overrated-but-also-FrRrrrench thing. Just sayin.
For those who know and love France well, as I do, including its inestimable contribution to cinema, it's not unusual to make familiar comments as a spouse might make about their partner. WE LOVE YOU FRANCE! If you go on strike and won't speak to us, or make us sleep on the culture sofa, we all know it's just because you're so darned great, and we haven't been doing enough to appreciate you. If you could just raise your prices and taxes just a little bit more, then you could retire at 50 to pursue your monograph on the tree fungus in the herb garden of Francois 1st, fund projects to make sure all the kids in the banlieue know who Goddard is, and take three month vacations. I'm all for it. I would give you chocolates, but you have the best ones already. France, Je t'aime. Even you JP whatsyourname. Now let's have make up cinema.
Only the Jeunet bashing was directed at you...the general French-film bashing was directed at others. But he DOES have several films in the list of top 100 French films, including all the movies you cited.
And another thing, I don't blame Jeunet at all for being upset if the transer is as bad as others claim. In fact, why force consumers to buy all four films in a series when the vast majority of them only want the first two? Fox did the same thing with the DVD set as well, maximizing their profits by force-feeding the Alien 3 and AR. And if they are going to force the other films on consumers, then they should at least give the same quality transfer to all the films. Again, Fox sucks! They sucked with Laserdisc ($50 MSRP on nearly every single disc), they sucked on DVD (high prices early, copyright paranoia) and they suck on Blu-Ray!
And BobbyB, I would contend that Fox execs are not to blame for the neverending cycle of turgid sequels and remakes but rather the consumer who keeps paying for such crap.
I too am guilty... of curiosity or masochism or whatever.
I think the world hates the Frogs because Lafayette once saved America's bacon. And now the Yanks hate the Frogs because the world hates the Yanks. Makes sense.
As for JPJ, Lost Children is as good as Micmacs and Resurrection are bad. I can understand why he feels pissed off not being consulted on Resurrection's transfer. But his obsession with DNR is a bit worrying, as obviously he's confusing grain with noise -- and that's never good coming from a moviemaker.
Considering the quality of the film itself, any self respecting director (Like Fincher did) would have disowned the film itself.
The reason the other filmmakers were invited in and a re-mastering done is because of the wide acclaim those films has. Sure I wish EVERY BD was a quality re-master, but this guy really needs a dose of reality. and to be honest, looking at what he did sitting in on Delicatessen, is not doing him any favors.
Just because your movie has "Alien" in the title, does not make your film the same as the first two. As insulted as he may feel about not getting a re-master, Cameron and Scott should feel insulted that he thinks his film is the same league as theirs.
and also the French-bashing. Tired, junior-high, red neck mentality. I'm sure you get irked when foreigners bash Americans too. Let's not forget we wouldn't have won the revolutionary war without the French, nor would we have the statue of liberty. This guy may or may not be a D-bag, but your nation of origin doesn't really impose any factors. D-bags are born every day on every inch of this globe. and guess what, when you bash people based on their country of origin, you are advertising that you are in fact one of said D-bags.
What I don't understand is why this wouldn't be an issue for the best directed and best looking film of the series. No matter your feelings about the story and the film in general, clearly Resurrection has the most style.
I don't understand why people are satisfied with the mediocre transfer in their collection and just bash the movie and the director??
Yes, I think this movie is the worst of the series, but that doesn't mean I won't appreciate great transfer like the first one. I would like ALL the movies in my collection to have the best transfer possible, and it sucks that my alien set (which I paid lot of money on) does have mediocre transfer on half of the movies.
It's too bad that Fox didn't want to spend extra money on restoring, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to be upset; I would be upset too if I was him. Unfortunately it is the economics of it all, but he should be upset.
And as for "removing the grain" I'm sure he knows NOT to do it too much. Remember how James Cameron said he was "removing grain" for Aliens and how everybody here jumped on him? Now almost everybody think it is a "Great" transfer.
Regardless of what one thinks about the quality of the film making of any of the four Alien films the set deserved to get an equal remastering effort for each film. It's a pity Fox showed such little respect for the fans and film makers of these works by providing such sub-par transfers for Alien 3 and Resurrection. Especially at the price they're asking for the box set. They are asking a premium price for a product they are only pretending is premium.
The transfer of Alien 4 is not state of the the art but mediocre DVD level it is not at all. Silly claim.
Maybe he's pissed they did not degrain it as he degrained Delicatessen? If so, thank God they did not.
Compared to the first two films it's certainly clear A:R didn't get all the attention, but there's an abundance of fine detail in there and not a hint of EE or DNR (A la degraining) It's a good transfer. If people were happy with the artificially messed up Back To The Future release, they should be ecstatic with A:R incredibly film like and natural image. If Jeunet wanted a different look, he should have filmed it like that. Thankfully we have the current BD, and though I have no problem with directors "revisioning" their films after the fact, I just don't like it when it becomes the only version available. I don't want a degrained A:R, it's not what I saw in theaters.
The film's quality aside, most filmmakers would appreciate supervising transfers to their films. I believe Jean-Pierre Jeunet was involved in the Alien Quadrilogy DVD set. I could see budgetary reasons why the last two films were available HD masters. Unfortunately it would've been best to involve Jeunet and Fincher (but we all know he won't touch Alien 3 again). Its their movies and they should be seen in the way that it was intended.
"why wait this long to make this comment on this extremely poor movie? Is it to take away the fault of his mediocre direction?? "
a. maybe he was busy and doesn't freak over blu-ray like fans do.
b. yes the movie isn't great, but I would pin that more on the producers- i think they just got lucky with the first two films- David Giler and Walter are just mediocre producers who took advantage of fincher and jeunet- (two of the best film makers of this generation)
well i was curious enough and i went to read what he had to say...and it's scary.
he stated that americans maybe know nothing about degraining a film, like he did with his transfer of delicatessen that according to him it's totally without film grain right now. Ok i believed after amelie he changed his style a lot and now his films, (quite boring i must say, the last one Micmacs was so well planned at the table to look and sound like a JPJ trademarked product that was annoying) have a very polished cinematography, glossy and soft.
By the way his statement erased even the remotest idea to change my dvd of delicatessen with the blu ray. I hate directors going back to their movies every time trying to alterate them, specially when they've been so successfully liked by the audience the old way.
so anyone in for a totally degrained delicatessen? i don't think so...
Ha! "Alien Resurrection" is one of the most ridiculous "movies" ever made. Not too long ago I put in my DVD - just to make sure it was as bad as I remembered - and it was worse. It's like a parody of an "Alien" movie. For crap's sake, there's even a midget! I mean, there's an actual little person! So Jeunet shouldn't worry too much about people noticing the quality of the bluray transfer. Nothing could induce me to watch that thing again.
I feel ripped off. First, all the "making of" documentaries on Disc 5 were cropped from their original aspect ratio, which is noticeable to anyone with a good feel for framing, then two of the films were given sub-standard transfers (or more likely, used ones 7-8 years old from the DVD release). When I fork over that kind of money, I expect to see the best quality from all aspects of the product, not just some of them. Jeunet is right - both the third and fourth films look more like uprezzed DVDs than Blu-rays.
Alien and Aliens are without question the much superior films in the set. They are highly regarded and lauded across the board; not just by sci-fi and horror film fans. Alien3 and Alien Resurrection are more or less merely watchable curiosities, if you will, to the franchise. The times I've watched Alien3 and Alien Resurrection I've never not had the thought "Too bad they didn't do a better job of it." So I'm not going to lose any sleep if the blu-ray transfer of the lesser two films isn't quite as good as the first two. If it were the other way around then I could understand some knashing of teeth over the issue. I certainly would be disappointed over that.
Perhaps if Jeunet had made a better film out of Alien Resurrection then Fox would have consulted with him on its transfer to blu-ray. But since Jeunet is no Ridley Scott or no James Cameron is it really a mystery why his contribution to the Alien franchise doesn't measure up?
Alien Resurrection (just like the nonsensical Alien 3) is an absolute abomination anyway. In my opinion it doesn't even belong being mentioned in the same breath with the first two outstanding classic films. Both 3 and 4 could burn in the furthest depths of the underworlds as far as I'm concerned. This serves Jean-Pierre Jeunet right... for making such a crapfest (not to mention full all out box office dud) like Alien Resurrection! TRUE fans of the series know this.
Let me know when Alien and Aliens get there own 'separate' releases so I can do the right thing and completely ignore the two other crummy films that don't deserve the time of day.
Will all these armchair naysayers of PQ at least watch the BD before judging? I understand a lot of people don't like the film, but too bad Jeunet is talking about the PQ. Most of you admittedly haven't even watched it yet insist on calling it a weak transfer, etc. This is why you're not reviewers. You let your hate towards a film cloud how you judge/feel about the PQ thus giving a rather unfair and misleading opinion. Anyone on the fence about buying these is definitely getting a mixed impression right now. Let me say it again, A:R PQ is very good. There's a reason for it's 81 average based on all professional reviews. http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/details/alien-resurrection?movieid=15415&locale=all The transfer also suffers from zero digital tinkering. If someone honestly thinks this looks like an "uprezzed" (When did that replace "upscaled"?) DVD, then they really need glasses. Everyone is raving about Delicatessen PQ, and yet it has a lower rating then A:Rs.
Many people are making the argument that because AR is the weakest of the films, the picture quality hardly matters. I think you could actually make the opposite argument - that being weak, the film needs all the help it can get. A stunningly clear transfer might add just enough additional appeal to make it worth watching.
Really though, any film released on Blu-Ray should be transferred properly, since picture quality is why people buy Blu-Ray over DVD in the first place.
Lastly it should be noted that what makes a good movie is highly subjective, and because AR is the least appealing of the four does not mean that no one at all likes it. Some do, and they deserve a good transfer as much as any of the others.
"Jeunet has said that the BD of the fourth Alien installment has the picture quality of "a very mediocre DVD".....Really? Well, since the fourth alien installment has the movie quality of a very subpar film, it balances out.
Disapointing being that it's coming from him, but for me Fincher's Alien3 is the one that benefits from the blu-ray transfer. Alien & Aliens have been looking good in all of their many remasters. Alien Resurrection had great elements, production design and fantastic look on film, I was just disconnected with the sad inside-out monster at the end???
There's a reason that Resurrection is the most underwhelming of the bunch. It's down to their choice to use a ridiculous filming process.
You hear them talking about it in the making of, how difficult it was for them to maintain consistency in the visual effects and the brittle quality of their dailies. It's the physical process they used back in '97 that's to blame for the film's quality, not an old master print. Sure, it could probably look better had they taken more time, but not much better I'd wager.
right i have had enough of you cameron lovers and all your ass kissing of him out of the 4 his is in the bottom two movies 1 and 3 r best although i am not big fan of finchers as he just abandoned his movie one which i have defended from day one knowing there was a better cut like mean and moody horrors unlike camerons action flick whicjh had face huggers that cant get out the eggs quick enough because there is glue like substence in them and face hugger eggs that could hold 6 or more look at movie when ripley is surrounded by them waist height really and the story is mediocre ??? camerons best movie is the abyss extended cut only please so pleas no more kissing camerons ass it`s not that briliant ???? thank you
one last thing all my transfers are excellent so people get a decent lcd hd tv not hd ready and not plasma because there shit and get a decent blu ray and your picture quality will improve trust me mine did so there is nothing wrong with any of the transferes ??????
I didn't have any problems with the transfer. Just sounds like the director is being a pissy pants because he wasn't asked to be involved with the bluray set like Ridley and Cameron were
But one thing is for sure, this is the most anyone has talked about Alien Resurection in over 10 years, it's not a terrible movie, but it's the basterd child of the franchise and seems to be nothing more then big budget fan fiction. The series works much better as a trilogy (with the alien 3 producer's cut as the finale) and there was really no need for the fourth one since it brought nothing new or important to the table. Ripley is dead, AR follows around her dickhead of a clone and a bunch of space pirates we never actually care about, the movie would have worked better without Sigourney and not set so far in the future, not a full reboot but a fresher start, it's a shame they took the franchise in that direction because ressurection begat AvP and AVP begat AvP:R