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Extended Lord of the Rings Blu-ray Officially Announced

Posted March 21, 2011 10:03 AM by Juan Calonge

New Line CinemaConfirming earlier reports (see Blu-ray.com, January 14, March 7 and March 16), Warner Home Video has officially announced the Blu-ray release of the extended version of The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy for June 28. This three-movie collection will be presented in a 15-disc set (6 BDs, 9 DVDs), packaged in multi-disc elite packaging inside a premium rigid slipcase, with an SRP of $119.98. Each movie will be split across two discs. Audio will be 6.1 DTS-HD Master Audio. The Fellowship of the Ring has been remastered from the original 2k digital files.

This latest tidbit will be welcome news, as the first installment of the trilogy had been controversial among reviewers and enthusiasts alike when it was released last year as part of the theatrical editions because of its inferior picture quality, allegedly related to the use of an older master.

Contents by disc is as follows:
  1. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring feature, Extended Edition – Part 1 (BD)
    • The Lord of the Rings: War in the North – The Untold Story Trailer
    • Commentaries:
      • Director and writers
      • Design team
      • Production and post production teams
      • Cast
    • BD-Live

  2. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring feature, Extended Edition – Part 2 (BD)
    • Commentaries:
      • Director and writers
      • Design team
      • Production and post production teams
      • Cast
    • BD-Live

  3. The Appendices Part 1 From Book to Vision (DVD)
    • Peter Jackson Introduction
    • J.R.R. Tolkien: Creator of Middle-earth
    • From Book to Script
    • Visualizing the Story
    • Designing and Building Middle-earth
    • Middle-earth Atlas Interactive
    • New Zealand and Middle-earth Interactive

  4. The Appendices Part Two From Vision to Reality (DVD)
    • Elijah Wood Introduction
    • Filming The Fellowship of the Ring
    • Visual Effects
    • Post Production: Putting It All Together
    • Digital Grading
    • Sound and Music
    • The Road Goes Ever On…

  5. Behind-the-scenes documentary created by filmmaker Costa Botes during filming of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (DVD)


  6. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers feature, Extended Edition – Part 1 (BD)
    • The Lord of the Rings: War in the North – The Untold Story Trailer
    • Commentaries:
      • Director and writers
      • Design team
      • Production and post production teams
      • Cast
    • BD-Live

  7. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers feature, Extended Edition – Part 2 (BD)
    • Commentaries:
      • Director and writers
      • Design team
      • Production and post production teams
      • Cast
    • BD-Live

  8. The Appendices Part 3: The Journey Continues (DVD)
    • Peter Jackson Introduction
    • JRR Tolkien: Origin of Middle-earth
    • From Book to Script: Finding the Story
    • Designing and Building Middle-earth
    • Gollum
    • Middle-earth Atlas Interactive
    • New Zealand as Middle-earth

  9. The Appendices Part 4: The Battle for Middle-earth (DVD)
    • Elijah Wood Introduction
    • Filming The Two Towers
    • Visual Effects
    • Editorial: Refining the Story
    • Music and Sound
    • The Battle for Helm's Deep is Over…

  10. Behind-the-scenes documentary created by filmmaker Costa Botes during filming of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (DVD)


  11. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King feature, Extended Edition – Part 1 (BD)
    • The Lord of the Rings: War in the North – The Untold Story Trailer
    • Commentaries:
      • Director and writers
      • Design team
      • Production and post production teams
      • Cast
    • BD-Live

  12. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King feature, Extended Edition – Part 2 (BD)
    • Commentaries:
      • Director and writers
      • Design team
      • Production and post production teams
      • Cast
    • BD-Live

  13. The Appendices Part 5: The War of the Ring (DVD)
    • Peter Jackson Introduction
    • JRR Tolkien: The Legacy of Middle-earth
    • From Book to Script
    • Designing and Building Middle-earth
    • Home of the Horse Lords
    • Middle-earth Atlas
    • New Zealand as Middle-earth

  14. The Appendices Part 6: The Passing of an Age (DVD)
    • Introduction
    • Filming The Return of the King
    • Visual Effects
    • Post-Production: Journey´s End
    • The Passing of an Age
    • Cameron Duncan: The Inspiration for Into the West

  15. Behind-the-scenes documentary created by filmmaker Costa Botes during filming of The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (DVD)



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News comments (365 comments)



Bucky
  Mar 21, 2011
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good news about the fellowship of the ring. hopefully they will eventually release the theatrical version again with a remaster.
Marcus1284
  Mar 21, 2011
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Day 1 for me

JamesG76
  Mar 21, 2011
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Too bad TTT and RTK were not remastered, they don't look so hot either. But they're acceptable.. Day 1 for me as well, I'm salivating at the thought of having a lord of the rings extended editions marathon.
DualEdge
  Mar 21, 2011
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June 28th isn't that far away at all. Pleasantly surprised that they aren't making us wait for The Hobbit to be released to give us this. Great news about the Fellowship remaster, even though I have yet to watch my theatrical Blu-ray...

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aimforsilence
  Mar 21, 2011
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Looks like your still going to have to disk swap...

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I am blu
  Mar 21, 2011
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each movie split on 2 blu-ray !!!! is this a joke!????? how can 50go can't be enough to put a movie in it

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BHolst
  Mar 21, 2011
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Already pre-ordered

No problem about the disk swap for me, if you have been watching half of any of these movies it's probably time for a bio-break anyway

SpaceDog
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm glad we'll get the discs split here. I'm not thrilled with the stacks of DVDs that I already own, but I'm glad they are releasing this edition.

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KingLeonidas300
  Mar 21, 2011
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Glad I waited but I think I will wait a little longer for the price to go down. I wonder if we will see new steelbooks for these versions, I hope so. I would prefer those of this set.
floatingworld
  Mar 21, 2011
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I may be the only one who thinks this but I slightly prefer the theatrical cuts. I hate the fact that the theatrical cuts probably won't be re released with better transfers. Also I Am Blu asked the question I was wondering. How much can a 50g disc hold? I have Seven Samurai on blu ray and it's almost 3hr 30 minutes and it's all on one disc.

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NY Yankees 23 2
  Mar 21, 2011
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as I AM BLU said... split betwen 2 discs...seriously? why? so they can add commentary? screw that. guess i am still gonna buy though. i never seen the extended versions. so this is as good a time as ever i suppose. 2 discs...jeez. they suck !

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JJ
  Mar 21, 2011
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I swear, if ANYONE complains about the disk swap - you cant have BOTH the best PQ/AQ for a 3-4 hour movie AND on one disc. No, 50 GB is not enough.

You wanted the EE, here it is. It was 2 discs for the DVD EEs, two discs for the BRs.

Now stop complaining, anyone who is about to start whining. Your complaining is MOOT, because no one here cares - and the studios won't change it, either. Consider yourself lucky to get a remaster.

Dr. Manhattan
  Mar 21, 2011
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Day one purchase but why split each movie across two discs like they did before? I was hoping that with 50 GBs of storage we could finally get each movie on one disc. Well, the A/V quality better be outstanding if half a movie is going on one disc.

Captain Rex Kramer
  Mar 21, 2011
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15 disc set?! WOW! Nice! However, why oh why are most of the supplement discs (The 9 DVDs) presented on standard DVD's? I bought a blu ray player for blu rays, not DVDs. I want to watch blu rays on my blu ray player, as I don't know how anyone else feels about it, but I am not impressed with up conversion at all. (Sigh) Oh well, I guess it's the films that matter most, and I am happy the extended versions are finally coming out soon.

Dr. Manhattan
  Mar 21, 2011
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@JJ

You know how many 3+ hour movies have gone on one BD? A lot. And they have pretty damn good A/V too. But alas this is LOTR and maybe it will be justified once it releases.
cid67
  Mar 21, 2011
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This is good news. I think they could have fit each movie on a single disk. look how many other 3 hour movies have found success on a single disk. I don't mind the disk swap however as it can only make the movie look better.

Witch King of Angmar
  Mar 21, 2011
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Fap Fap Fap

cant wait

LeBougre
  Mar 21, 2011
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Hi,

Do we know if this is just The Fellowship of the ring which is remastered or is it for the 3 films ?

Thanks

G@zz@
  Mar 21, 2011
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Can't wait to get these, so glad I resisted buying them in the UK even when it got to £9.99 for the theatrical boxset

Kingmob
  Mar 21, 2011
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I wish the movies were on single discs, but I still can't wait nonetheless. I'm glad about the remaster of FOTR, even though the previous transfer wasn't that bad, IMO.

ChrisDilke
  Mar 21, 2011
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Great news, and hope the UK release isn't too far away either. I'd have liked to have seen each movie on one disc, but I'd much rather have them split over two and have the finest quality possible than squeezed onto one and have the quality reduced. It is also odd that in a Blu-ray boxset, they would put all the bonus features on DVDs, but I'm not going to complain. I don't care about extras being in HD, and at least they're all there.

CYMBOL
  Mar 21, 2011
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Man, I really don't like the extended ediitions as much - I still haven't got the theatrical editions - it's a bummer that the didn't remaster FOTR for the initial release, since that's my favorite of the 3.

If they were going to split the movies on 2 discs, they could have at least gave us the theatrical and EE. Grrr.

jasonicus
  Mar 21, 2011
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The disc swapping is pretty hilarious. I am surprised by that. Strange really. The DVD's are also odd. Why not just condense them onto a few Blu Rays? This is a Blu Ray set after all.

threefiftyrocket
  Mar 21, 2011
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@ LeBougre

+1, as I stated in the thread, Theodin's beard at the burial of Theodred looked pretty damn aweful... TTT was better that FotR (and granted I didn't give them the negativity that some did) but it did have its points. Overall I will still buy because these will be MILES ahead of the DVDs (as the TC was on BD)... Love the official announcement though.

Tycerium
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm still wondering if there will be a menu option to watch the theatrical versions. I hope so.
mindseyesore
  Mar 21, 2011
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Guys and/or Gals, you must get a grip when it comes to the swapping issue. FOTR EXT is 3:30 hours long. TTT is nearly 4 hours long. ROTK is more than 4:30 hours long!! When you combine Director's Comments, 6.1 Audio, Multiple Audio Languages, Subs, Special BD Features, Bonus Features...Geez...do you see where this is leading to? 50 GB is not enough. Please remember that the original DVDs were also split. It's a glorious day for Fans...just accept it.

keithvg
  Mar 21, 2011
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I can't wait for this. My only hope is that the split between discs is not as harsh and abrupt as in the DVD set. Perhaps freeze the last frame and fade away instead of boom! put in the next disc. I find that it just rips me out of Middle Earth way too fast.

xxstrataxx
  Mar 21, 2011
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@ jj...your an idiot. like others have said, you CAN easily fit a 3-4 hour movie on one 50gb blu ray disc. your comparing how the dvd's were split bt 2 dvd's so the BD's should be the same? wtf do you even know the size difference bt DVD and BD? they HAD to split it bt 2 DVD's bc a dual layer was only 8 gbs. so with 2 dvd's for one EE movie, that was a little more than 16 GB's, which isnt even HALF of one BD disc. trust me they could have fit the theatrical editions, the EE editions, and hell even a directors cut edition if there was one, all on one BD disc and still have outstanding quality. but hey im not complaining and im not wishing they would "re-do" them as you said. obv they dont care about what we say. i just wanted you to think about what you were actually saying. on that note, im excited. while the number of DVDs outnumbers BDs here, oh well. glad FOTR got a remaster! sweeett. the 6 discs will fit nicely in my Steelbook ...unless they release a NEW EE LOTR Steelbook.

threefiftyrocket
  Mar 21, 2011
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RotK is actually 251 mins so 4 hrs and 11 mins, considering the 3 hr and 20 min BD only took up 37 Gb and PQ/AQ for that release was quite good, I think they could fit an additional 50 mins in there no problem. No they do not HAVE to be split to get good quality. Personally I don't care, it doesn't bother me to switch disks after 2 frickin hours, but to the people who say it HAS to be that way, no it doesn't.

PlisskenReplicant
  Mar 21, 2011
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im happy with the disk swap. just finished watching it on dvd last week,love the feeling of it.cant wait. i`ll order it ASAP.

i do agree on the fact that the bonus on dvd dont make sense.they could have put `em on 3 blues instead of 9 dvds. i dont get it. just to save space you know.i dont care about bonus in hd.thats why its called bonuses instead of main feature!!!

myuzickman
  Mar 21, 2011
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Already pre-ordered!!!

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iamsometal
  Mar 21, 2011
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Don't mind disc swapping at all. I do mind paying for 9 bonus feature DVDs I've already purchased. Screw that, waiting for stand alone releases. It would be amazing if they offered just the films in a boxed set, sans the bonus content DVDs, at a greatly reduced price.

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JJ
  Mar 21, 2011
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- Hey guess what, Strata. I'm not reading all that. Thanks for your time, though.

coolkev1701
  Mar 21, 2011
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Already have mine pre-ordered, definitely looking forward to getting it!!!
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mywhitenoise
  Mar 21, 2011
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"I swear, if ANYONE complains about the disk swap - you cant have BOTH the best PQ/AQ for a 3-4 hour movie AND on one disc. No, 50 GB is not enough. "

Yes you can. TV shows like Lost, Breaking Bad, Mad Men...which have about 4 episodes a disc, look great. Guess this is a no buy from me then. I don't need all those extras again, don't want to pay that price, and don't want to swap discs.

rmainhammer
  Mar 21, 2011
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Sold.

cheez avenger
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm surprised all the video encode OCD's aren't happy with this. If they're split on two 50GB discs, isn't that good for the bitrate? *rolls eyes*

You'd still get douchebags complaining that they should have split the film into two BD's because it would look better, blah, blah, blah!
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nathan_393
  Mar 21, 2011
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I think we should be a little positive about this instead of acting like children and just thank Warner Bros for mixing their mistakes with the TC by re-doing the transfer for Fellowship. I'd love them to redo the transfer for TTT as well, but beggars can't be choosers
steelers1
  Mar 21, 2011
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you guys that don`t like disc swapping just go and get a movie server buy fusion research. and the problem is over. he he.

TheZoof
  Mar 21, 2011
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Darn it... I will have to buy it seems. LOL

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Wdm81
  Mar 21, 2011
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this being split across 2 discs is bullshit. Plenty of 4 hour movies have been released on one disc and they have all had great PQ and AQ. The split is just laziness on behalf of warner bros, just like the Extras being on DVD's rather then blurays...pure laziness

It's an attempt to keep costs down but charge more for a 15 disc set, WB are just being retard on this one

threefiftyrocket
  Mar 21, 2011
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I just want LotR EE on Blu-ray, I don't care about 1 or 2 discs, or that the features are on DVD, I just finished watching all of the bonus stuff from the DVD sets I got and I really don't mind that they're in SD, after I got over my frustration of paying premium cost for all of them again, I'm a bit happier and will definitely pick this up. I guess having 6 BD's instead of 3 makes my subconscious THINK I'm getting more for my money? Maybe... I dunno, can't wait til 6/28...
wonka
  Mar 21, 2011
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Don't want to spend the money, but can't wait anymore. I'm so tired of watching SD dvds, THATs great on 2 disc, I mean we all got to take a piss some time or another. also is it going to split in the same spot as before.

AaronSCH
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'll pick this up when it's $7.99 at Target ... But seriously, at that price paid last Christmas, I am happy with the theatrical cuts even though I would have liked the extended editions. There is simply little here to motivate a purchase for me. I didn't sell my entire DVD collection to buy a "Blu-ray" set that contains 9 DVDs and just the 3 movies on 6 Blu-ray discs. I doubt I will be up for watching these again anytime soon and I still think the best treatment of these titles will happen after the two "Hobbit" films are released. I can wait.

Gray Wolf
  Mar 21, 2011
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if they can fit all of Gods & Generals on one disc (even the upcoming extended edition) it's BS that LOTR Extended has to split across two discs

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blokhed
  Mar 21, 2011
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Glad to hear they're putting them on 2-discs each. These giant films need room to breath for the PQ and AQ.

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Jamison
  Mar 21, 2011
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http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

How much video can you fit on a Blu-ray disc?

Over 9 hours of high-definition (HD) video on a 50GB disc.
About 23 hours of standard-definition (SD) video on a 50GB disc.

nametag
  Mar 21, 2011
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The Thin Red Line - at least 4.5 hours of 1080p content with extras. Gone With the Wind, Seven Samurai aren't looking too bad either.

With the commentaries and soundtracks, I'll admit it probably couldn't be done with ROTK, but with the others I reckon, with CAREFUL compression, it could be done if they tried hard enough, evidently they can't be bothered. And as many have said, each movies' special features could've been put on one disc, meaning that this whole set could have been comprised of 7 BDs as opposed to 6 BDs and 7 DVDs. Wasteful, but hey I think I'm just pissed I can't swap the discs into my Steelbook for the Theatricals.

Also, just because TT and ROTK aren't getting a remaster, does it necessarily mean it'll be the same as the Theatricals? Won't it be from a different master anyway?

Also pretty pissed the Theatricals aren't available via seemless branching. Again, this could've been done had they made the effort. Maybe there'll be another boxset in the future with them both, like there was with the DVDS?

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DAMNSAM77
  Mar 21, 2011
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So a question to all the LOTR fans out there. I had justed gotten the existing LOTR collection as a gift, it's still unopened and I can probably return it within 45 days since I am a BB-RZ-Silver memeber. But do you think I should exchange this for this new Extended release collection? Does it have the Theatrical too? or just the extended? Also I am kind of bummed that we're getting the extras of 9 DVD's? What the heck? Why aren't those on 3 BD's instead?

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Jamison
  Mar 21, 2011
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http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

Is Lord of the Rings coming to Blu-ray?

The theatrical edition of The Lord of the Rings Blu-ray Trilogy will be coming out on April 6th, 2010. When the extended edition of The Lord of the Rings Blu-ray Trilogy is coming out is still unknown. For more information please see the Lord of the Rings thread in our forum.

pickfair
  Mar 21, 2011
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what a stupid idea, splitting the films over two discs. Now we can sit for another 15 minutes while the second disc loads, then fight our way thru another dozen trailers, to eventually arrive at the menu. Maybe I'll wait until next year, when they release the extended versions, in a new improved box set - "Now All on One Disc" at only another $75

visual0ne
  Mar 21, 2011
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Glad I bought the theatrical cuts on black Friday for $10 each. I'd like to have the extended editions but splitting the films onto two disks is moronic. Those films would easily fit on 50 Gb disks. Does Warner Bros. think we're stupid, or that we just won't care? Well I care. It totally detracts from a film if you have to get up and swap the disks. I'll be waiting on a re-release that doesn't suck. Where the films are on one disk a piece and the supplements are in HD on another BLU-RAY and not a tired old DVD format. I havent bought a DVD since 2006 why would I want some now? That's right, I wouldn't! Sorry Warner better luck next time at getting my money.
BBBRian
  Mar 21, 2011
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I like this release date a lot because there's enough time between it's release and Black friday for this to be one of amazon's black friday week blow out sales and I'll probably get it for 40 or 50 bucks.

On a side note, It amazes me how many people get so excited about steelbooks and state that it will affect whether or not they make a purchase. It's a SLIGHTLY more durable package. I actually have a hard time getting one that's not dented, regardless of whether I buy it in store or on amazon.

AltaDef
  Mar 21, 2011
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I have 2 BR players so I will set it up so that Disc 2 starts playing as soon as Disc 1 ends... BAM! Seamless transition...

Rainman208
  Mar 21, 2011
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The remastered FOTR is tempting but I was hoping for seamless branching on the EE's between the two versions. Clearly that is not going to be the case so I guess I'll stick with my TE's. Oh well.

bondfooll
  Mar 21, 2011
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Oh well, at the Costa Botes stuff will be new to me.

tat015
  Mar 21, 2011
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reaaally! slpit in 2 disc =/
feels like a vhs. but im still buyin it =D

ozzsoad
  Mar 21, 2011
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How many times do I need to buy these movies? I bought them three times on DVD, and I've already bought them once on Blu-ray(albeit for next to nothing), I refuse to buy them again until they release an edition with every version on it, which we all know is inevitable. The new Fellowship re-master is tempting though, but they should have done that with the first TE release. Pass for now.
mindseyesore
  Mar 21, 2011
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@pickfair. Geez...are you Lenny from Memento? Is is that much of a difficult task to press "eject", pop open the case and put the second disk in? Wait 15 minutes? What kind of BD player do you have? First Generation? I think WB dropped the ball with so many DVDs...they could have put all the extra commentaries on a few BD Disks. But wow, I really can't believe that some people are actually "on the fence" with this purchase because of having to swap disks. Oh Well, you can't please everyone.
doa766
  Mar 21, 2011
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the ultimate cut of Watchmen is 3 and half hours long and it has perfect quality on one 50gb blu ray

and that's the lenght of fellowship and towers extended

doctorD
  Mar 21, 2011
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Awesome...looks like I will be double-dipping!

richteer
  Mar 21, 2011
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This is good news, although I am mildly disappointed that the movies aren't on one disc each. I know that splitting them onto two discs allows for more room so that PQ and AQ can be maximised, but that's only relevant if Warner actually uses the space for that reason. (Yeah, changing discs half way through a movie bugs me big time!) WHat a shame they didn't use one of those 75GB (or whatever) discs that manufacturers have been cookin' in their labs for ages... Having bother versions using seamless branching would also be a nice idea!

For people whining about the supplements being on DVD: if they were filmed in SD, there's no point in making them available on Blu-ray. At least by being on DVD they'll be upscaled.

FIDDYPOP
  Mar 21, 2011
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I hate that these movies are spread over 2 disks! That just sucks.

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KrugStillo
  Mar 21, 2011
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AVC at CBR 35 mbps is roughly just over 4 hours on a 50 GB disc (Just for the video not including the audio). Granted this is a high bitrate that most of the time isn't used but I know this because I encode HD files at this bitrate for masters of my own work. So I can see with a bunch of lossless tracks that it may get tricky to fit the whole movie on some so they just went with splitting them all. Reasonable for the sake of quality. Also I think people are forgetting that these are completely different masters than the theatrical versions. Therefor they won't look exactly the same regardless. So honestly them saying that Fellowship is remastered from the 2k master files is just stating the obvious. All 3 are probably taken from thier 2k master files. They are probably the same masters used for the DVD's. There is most likely no negatives for these just digital files so that's where they'll come from every time it's released. People need to think logically about this stuff. They are just saying that with Fellowship to make people happy. Anyway I'll pick it up eventually if I can find a good sale. I'm still happy with my theatrical set.
doa766
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm still buying this but I would've like better a bar bones edition with just the movies on one blu ray each

I think it's a fair tradeoff to lose a little quality for not having to swap discs and break inmersion

TheHutt
  Mar 21, 2011
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Buying 9 of 15 discs all over again... ewww!

bookcase
  Mar 21, 2011
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I honestly don't see the big deal about these being split between two discs. Look at all the features that each disc will contain! As for extras, it would be great if they were high def, but they weren't to begin with, so at least they're including them.

xander
  Mar 21, 2011
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Holy hell at 9 DVD's in my Blu-ray set? PASS. I don't give a shit if they wouldn't look any better or not, I expect my purchases at this point to be in the format I am choosing to buy.
mkelley
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'll buy them -- I passed on the TE blu because, frankly, they don't hold a candle to the EE (except maybe for FOTR but with it being remastered here that makes that a moot point). But to each his or her own -- if you like the TE then you can't possibly be unhappy for those of us who are finally getting what we want.

Two discs? Meh -- I always rip my discs to play on my WD Live units, so I'll just combine the MKVs into one file and never notice a thing (and, as others have observed, you need to potty sometime, although in my old age the only time I don't need to pee is when I'm actually peeing).

Andrewtst
  Mar 21, 2011
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Split into 2 disc is fine for me, but can't the extra features remastered to HD in BD rather than SD in DVD?

SethRex
  Mar 21, 2011
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Is it me or does it seem like they purposely waited for production to begin to announce these? Not a complaint, more of an observation.

yojoeski
  Mar 21, 2011
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Bullshit, not a chance in hell will this be a purchase. To answer folks as to why they're being split, it's being done simply to drive the price up and make the set look more "impressive." 9 dvd's combined with two movies being split that don't need to be will come to not one dime being spent on it. This set should've been no more than 7 discs, especially given that all the bonus content is in SD so there is no reason at all that all 3 dvd's for each movie couldn't be combined onto 1 BD. It should've broken down like this:

FOTR: 1 BD for the movie, 1 BD for extras
TTT: same as FOTR
ROTK: 2 BD's for the movie, 1 BD for extras.

7 discs. No more, no less.

Melesine
  Mar 21, 2011
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YES!

Faster than I expected! Thrilled to see the digital copies too!

dbzerogravity
  Mar 21, 2011
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i'll wait for individual releases and when they are super-cheap. my dvd set is fine compared to this ripoff

menaceuk
  Mar 21, 2011
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Is this a joke ? Movies split over 2 discs LOL. and then to add insult to injury we get 9 DVD's LOL and then they charge $120.

You would have to be a moron to buy this

AutomaticDriver
  Mar 21, 2011
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Cant wait for this to be released! This is a Day 1 purchase for me. But I am upset that they decided to put each movie on 2 blu rays. I hate to swap disc. When I watch a movie, I shouldnt have to stop halfway through to exchange disc.

People saying, the reason why they are doing this is because its a 4 hour movie. Look at Gone with the wind. Its a 4 hour movie and it has a 5/5 on PQ. So that argument is moot.

killermike2178
  Mar 21, 2011
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To all who complain about the special features being on SD DVDs instead of HD BDs: How many times are you actually going to watch the special features to justify them putting them in HD? That would cost them too much money, and be too much trouble for only 1-2 viewings.

bookcase
  Mar 21, 2011
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Am I missing it, or did they not mention the inclusion of digital copies (listed on Amazon).
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Harry Lloyd
  Mar 21, 2011
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Come on, a BD50 isn't enough for a whole movie? That's ridiculous.

Let's just hope it'll look perfect, not like the last ones.

And what, no extras in HD? I don't think I'm gonna buy that.

AcidRain
  Mar 21, 2011
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i'm not getting this at that price, i'll wait for when they get separate release hopefully they will be movie only and not include the same discs that I already paid for.
Dr.World
  Mar 21, 2011
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I think it would be better if they didn't have any of the commentary tracks so they would be able to fit the entire movie on one blu-ray disc.

JamesG76
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm glad the movie is getting split, you guys are too lazy if you can't swap a disk once during 3-4 hours of movie watching. Other movies may fit on one BD that are 3-4 hours, but they probably won't look as good as LotR BD even if they do look pretty decent. I'd be mad if they squeezed everything onto one disk and it was worse PQ and worse AQ myself.

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Tech-UK
  Mar 21, 2011
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I have just done a bit of math to help those people, who are struggling to see why 1 disc is efficient. This is an approximation. Based on average bit rates which I think are appropriate for content on blu-ray. That utilize the same codecs, which these films will comprise of. For example, as stated a 6.1 DTS-HD Master Audio track will be used, guessing that the following are true; 48KHz, 24-bit. Now, a 6.1 LPCM track will have a fixed bit rate of 7 Channels * 48KHz * 24-bit = 8064Kbps. Which I approximate will give on average around the 6Mbps mark when utilizing the DTS-HD MA codec.

Return of the King

4 hours 11 mins = 251 mins approx = 15,060 secs approx.

Average Bit Rate Video MPEG4-AVC = 30Mbps.

Average Bit Rate Audio 6.1 DTS-HD Master Audio 48KHz @ 24-bit = 6Mbps

15,060 secs * 30Mbps = 451800Mb = 55.15GB approx.

15,060 secs * 6Mbps = 90360Mb = 11.03GB approx.

Total AV Size approx = 66.18GB

Also remember that extra content will be available on the disc, that will add more to the total shown above. Now from looking at those numbers above, its clear to see that TROTK needs to utilize two disc's, as the maximum capacity of the largest Blu-ray disc available commercially is 50GB (it will actually be slightly less than this considering overhead etc). It then depends on the difference between the maximum bit rate from the average, compared to the difference between the lowest bit rate from the average in time. Maximum bit rates are normally seen in bursts, whereas the lowest bit rate can be seen for a much longer time, i.e. When the credits are rolling or when the screen is blank for a number of seconds within the film. Although It depends on what type of film it is and its content. So the actual size maybe slightly below or above the total seen above.

As for the previous two films, if you were to do the same calculations, you maybe able to fit the shortest film on one disc. But again may depend on what was discuessed in the previous paragraph. But if it was possible, the studio wouldn't do that anyway, as they can include more disc's. Which in turn allows them to charge a little more on the product. Now for the 9 DVD's which are included in this set. I would suspect they will be the same as was used in the DVD releases. If the studio were to put a little bit more effort in this, they could have stuck all of the extras onto 4 or 5 Blu-ray disc's. They wouldn't need to be in HD, blu-ray will hold SD content in the form of MPEG-2, thus reducing the number of discs, and would be a pure Blu-ray package.

I am no expert when it comes to codecs, video/audio formats. So the information may not be correct/accurate .
42041
  Mar 21, 2011
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If you want the "theatrical experience" watch the theatrical cuts.

Many long movies have intermissions in theaters.

ShellOilJunior
  Mar 21, 2011
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6 blu-rays and 9 drink coasters. Unbelievable.

Stlsports
  Mar 21, 2011
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It'll be funny when someday they have 1 TB discs and they still split the movies onto two discs.
SonOfArathorn
  Mar 21, 2011
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People will never be happy... Just look at all the bitching going on here. Why are they on two discs? Why are the bonus materials on dvd? Why didn't they remaster the other two movies. This type of incessant whining is all over this site and is a big reason I don't come here much anymore. Get over it and stop whining people, we're getting the EEs 3 moths before Star Wars, what's not to be happy about?

Michael Harper
  Mar 21, 2011
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Fair enough on splitting the films up...but...all those discs for Extras in stupid. They could've put the Appendices on one Blu-Ray disc, like in the Alien Anthology. And the Costa Botes documentaries on one Blu-Ray disc. Then it would have been a eight disc set. Just seems more plausible, than all of them discs.

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DaveSimonH
  Mar 21, 2011
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"Ahhh why is it 2 disc per film, me brain hurty!"

If you want the films to look better than the original release then you'll just have to accept it. If they crammed the films onto one 50GB disc each they'd probably look worse than the DNR theatricals. As other's have said it was necessary on the DVD releases and it still necessary now in the blu-ray release.
FYI in the DVD releases when you put in the second disc it jumped straight to the movie, ie no trailers etc. I expect the blu will be the same.

"If you want the "theatrical experience" watch the theatrical cuts.
Many long movies have intermissions in theaters."

Good point.

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wnicholas76
  Mar 21, 2011
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Even though I bought the theatrical edition trilogy at Target for $7.99 on Black Friday 2010, I'm still all in for the day one purchase of the Extended Editions!!
melbye
  Mar 21, 2011
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I expected November so the date is fantastic.

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FLskydiver
  Mar 21, 2011
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Cost them too much money? Right, because they won't make ANY profit with these releases. Geeze. The need only make some new menus, and copy the SD content over. They do it, apparently, because Americans are stupid, and equate "more discs" with "more value". I blame my fellow American idiots.

Aricson Tarasova
  Mar 21, 2011
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Glad to read that FotR will be remastered! And I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm also glad that the feature films are broken into two discs. I like watching the extended editions one disc in one evening through the course of a week
Sayko
  Mar 21, 2011
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Day 1

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devilnamedBuena
  Mar 21, 2011
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No sale. I don't buy BD sets that include DVD's. The ones that are in here, I already have. At least give me the option to buy the extended cuts of the films minus the supplements if you're not going to condense those onto a single blu disc. And why can't the Botes docs be on a blu as well? Thanks but no thanks on this. Will wait for blu tech to improve so the entire films will fit pristinely on one disc.

yobi111
  Mar 21, 2011
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at $84 plus the $8 I spent to buy the TE on Black Friday at Target. I'm looking at having spent a little more than $15 for each cut of each film. Not too bad. Better than the $85 I'm dishing out for the Complete Star Wars Saga (3 of those films I may never watch again). but still not as good as the $6.50 I paid for each cut of each film in the Alien Anthology.

motorheadache95
  Mar 21, 2011
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Oh no! We have to get up once after 2 hours and change the disc!!!!111!!! Whatever will we do???!!!1111!!!

Give me a break people.

ArrestedDevelopment
  Mar 21, 2011
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9 DVDs that we all already have and only FoTR is remastered. No thanks.

xander
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm going to laugh in the face of the fanboys trying to justify the expected marginal improvements in PQ for the 2 disc split. If these aren't the best looking Blu's in the history of the format, then this is a fucking joke and people need to understand that. That's without even getting into the hilarious (and super lazy) 9 DVD debacle.

rollinwith26s
  Mar 21, 2011
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Good to hear about FOTR
Brown
  Mar 21, 2011
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I am not a huge fan of these movies, but I was looking forward to purchasing this set. I thought the extended editions were much stronger (esp., The Two Towers). However, I will pass here. It's not the film breaks that bother me (I really doubt many people at home will watch any of these movies without a trip to the bathroom or the fridge). The nine DVDs are a joke. I don't want to purchase what I already have, and as I have mentioned elsewhere, Fox did an admirable job with the using the capacity of blu-ray to include all of the ALIEN documentaries onto a single blu-ray disc.

I will wait. Somehow I think this won't be the last time these movies and extras get the blu-ray treatment. Maybe Al Gore will produce a set that fits on fewer discs.

xxstrataxx
  Mar 21, 2011
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idk if you guys are getting why ppl are complaining about 2 discs per movie...its not bc you h ave to " get up once after 2 hrs"...its the fact that they could have done something but chose not too...at least thats why i have a problem with it. and JJ...obv you read enough to comment...lol

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STARSCREAM
  Mar 21, 2011
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Hmmmm, so a blu-ray set that actually contains more dvd's than blu-ray's!??! That's ridiculous.

BouCoupDinkyDau
  Mar 21, 2011
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I will be waiting a couple more years on Jackson's 'Ultimate Edition.' I'm not repurchasing all of this just to get three HD films split over six BDs.
HE1NZ
  Mar 21, 2011
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Seems to me that extended editions were designed with splitting in 2 parts, sort of like Intermission in old films. Totally fine by me. Higher bitrate = always good.
DanaCameron7320
  Mar 21, 2011
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Many great epics have intermissions: LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, THE SOUND OF MUSIC, DOCTOR ZHIVAGO, to name a few. Even when both segments of those films have been encoded onto a single disc, the intermissions weren't edited out. Could you imagine the outcry if that had been done to such classics? Peter Jackson's KING KONG is something of an odd ball in that it had its intermission removed for its disc release, but I think its intermission wasn't really necessary in the first place (the movie wasn't that long) and more a function of Peter Jackson paying homage to the style of classical movie presentation from the era of King Kong's original theatrical showing.

Splitting the LOTR films across two BD discs for better PQ and AQ has its technical merits, as some here have convincingly argued (particularly considering the inclusion of four commentary tracks for each film), but I think it's important to remember that these extended editions never played theatrically with contiguous runtimes; they've always been presented with intermissions (and I think the splits come at pretty good dramatic beats as well).

The technical limitations of DVD may have necessitated the splits initially, but only New Line could say for sure what deciding factors influenced the choice to split them again for this upcoming BD release. In any case, I think it's hard to argue that splitting them betrays the integrity of the films (as we've never seen them any other way), or, in any real way, degrades the enjoyment potential of watching them. Related to that last point, I hope the intermissions fall in the same places as on the Extended DVD Editions, though we have no reason to suspect that they wouldn't.

I get the impression that New Line envisioned this new collection as a kind of re-release of the previous NEW LINE PLATINUM SERIES SPECIAL EXTENDED DVD EDITION (almost literally a "NEW LINE PLATINUM SERIES SPECIAL EXTENDED BD EDITION"), rather than a re-imagining of how to regroup or rearrange the included bonus material for an altogether new presentation. Having said all that, I still think they could have saved discs by putting all of the SD bonus material on a single Appendices BD for each film.

I'm inclined to pick these up when they're released, but I can't help thinking that a few years from now there'll be a NEW LINE PLATINUM SERIES "ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL" SPECIAL COLLECTOR'S EDITION containing all three LOTR films (theatrical and extended editions) as well as the theatrical and extended editions (because you know Jackson's going to) of both films of THE HOBBIT, and, of course, every supplement and commentary ever created for all of them.
doa766
  Mar 21, 2011
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WATCHMEN ULTIMATE CUT IS 3 AND HALF HOURS LONG AND IT HAS PERFECT QUALITY ON A SINGLE BLU RAY

(that's the same lenght of fellowship and towers)

cheez avenger
  Mar 21, 2011
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Theatrical experience? These are the EE versions. There was NO theatrical experience for these versions.

/facepalm


Really, some of you are beyond OCD cases. Get over yourselves. You don't like, you don't buy. But I bet most of you will buy them and then lie that you didn't, and then complain some more.
Wild Turkey
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm dissapointed.I was looking forward to watch the movies on one disc.

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RedcastleProductions
  Mar 21, 2011
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All I have to say is that a movie spread across two BD's no matter what the length of the movie = less compression which = the possibility of better PQ and AQ if the source material can justify it. For example the 2k version of the fellowship of the ring is being compressed down to 1080p for the BD format and along with the compression of resolution there is a compression of PQ and AQ from the source material. By spreading the movie across two discs you are allowing for less compression of the original masters. Say hypothetically the 2k version of the film = 2 terabytes worth of data. The studio has the option of compressing that data down to 50gigs on one disc or compressing it down to about 100 gigs on two gigs, which in turn = better AQ and PQ. Although my guess would be that not the entire second disc will be filled up, but probably at least 30 or 40 gigs worth. Hope this makes sense to you. So thumbs up for two discs per movie.

McLovin
  Mar 21, 2011
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Wah! Wah! Wah! Get off your fat ass and change the disk for God sake. Yeah I know, your cat might steal your seat. Throw your purse at it, it'll move.

motorheadache95
  Mar 21, 2011
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Wild Turkey:

Why? What possible difference could it make? You never pause a movie to go to the bathroom?

The Extended Cuts were never intended to be watched in a single-sitting without break. Jackson himself has mentioned that the Extended Cuts work well for home video because you can stop the movies and return to them later at will. He considers the theatrical cuts his "Director's Cut" because those are the films he put together and designed to be seen as single films at the theaters, in terms of storytelling and pacing. The Extended Cuts are not designed for that. The split on the discs creates a great intermission point to take a break and get back to the movie later. And even in you do want to watch the whole thing, you should still get up AT LEAST ONCE every couple of hours, switch discs, go the bathroom, get yourself a drink, etc.

I am on board with the complaints about all the DVDs though-- I don't really want to pay for an expensive box-set when over half of it is recycled DVD's that I already own. Personally, I'll probably get it when the price drops significantly, especially since they are likely to release a better "Ultimate" set after The Hobbit anyway.
Gump
  Mar 21, 2011
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i will wait for a 4k or 8k xfer of all 3 in 2014.
wonka
  Mar 21, 2011
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Hell spread along 3 discs or even 4 discs, if it improves PQ And AQ, it will give me time to take a Piss, grab a beer or even make a sandwhich.

tacomaprime
  Mar 21, 2011
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WINNING! This is great news. Can't wait for this to come in!

drtre81
  Mar 21, 2011
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1. You guys complaining about it being spread out are ignorant.
2. The sd content should have been on 2 blurays instead of 9 dvds.
3. There is no new hd content and that sucks.

Sgtpepper27
  Mar 21, 2011
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For those saying that you can't have the best PQ and AQ of the extended editions on one disc........have you seen the King Kong BD?? theatrical and extended editions (EE is over 3hrs 30 mins long) on one disc, excellent PQ and AQ throughout.

So i'll go with the 'why the split' crowd?

Saying that i'll be picking it up day one!!
The Hurf
  Mar 21, 2011
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I really don't get why these films would be spread across two blu-rays. The original DVD Extended Editions were spread across two 10GB discs per film, each with four commentaries and I think four different audio options. So that's 20GB on two discs?

By my calculations that still leaves 25-30GB of space on a dual-layer blu-ray. I'm guessing the multi audio options (Dolby Digital, DTS EX 6.1 and Dolby Stereo) will be replaced by a far superior DTS-HD, just like last year's theatrical editons. So I stand by my figure of 25-30GB of spare space at standard resolution. Yes, the HD features will take up more space, but if something as splendid-looking as Avatar can fit on a single disc, then there's no reason these couldn't have been put on one disc.

Once again this feels like a cheap and easy option from Warner Bros - they're using 25GB discs instead of the 50's. They've probably got a shedload of Appendices knocking around (along with the 2006 bonus DVD) so they'll get those recovered and used up. Given this trilogy is as popular (if not more than) a certain space opera that also has a blu-ray release this year, with all-blu discs, it's about time the studios stepped up to the plate and delivered a proper next-gen high-def experience across the board.

Here's hoping the next three months will see some sort of turnaround, and see a reduction in the number of discs in the set!
Tok
  Mar 21, 2011
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@The Hurf.... Do we have confirmation that these are BD25s for the films?
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yellariel
  Mar 21, 2011
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this is fucking bullshit!! 50gb bluray disc wont be able to support a single movies thats fucking bullshit i cant switch movies whata fuck man im not buying this shit at all and if i do fuck you distributors and producers and fucking publicist who doesnt watch movies to care about this problem fuck you!

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kevin87
  Mar 21, 2011
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why are the movies split across two discs? that's stupid. that's one thing i HATED about the DVDs, having to switch them when it came to a certain point, it's Blu-ray, they should've had room to do the whole movies on one disc each. if it's for the commentaries, i'm not going to 'watch' those anyway. they also could've left off all the DVD special features discs and just did the movies since the people who have the DVD sets already have that. good that it's coming out, but this set is pretty disappointing. i'll be waiting for extremely low price (i'm not paying BD price for DVDs) or until they release individual "movie only" type releases

squall_line
  Mar 21, 2011
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With the movies being split across two discs each, will this box set be the one that convinces BD player manufacturers to FINALLY start producing 5-disc carousel BD players?!? I, for one, hope so. It would definitely be another silver lining around this whole kerfluffle...

(and, by kerfluffle, I mean the argument about the merits of splitting the movies. I have no real opinion on the matter either way)

squall_line
  Mar 21, 2011
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@The Hurf...

You DO understand the difference in storage capacity requirements for 480i video vs. 1080p video, right? Because your post seems to indicate that you clearly don't...
Gazzoo69
  Mar 21, 2011
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1 movie 1 disc come on It's Blu-Ray !!!

KulasDevorn
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'll just be buying the movies separately. I have no desire for DVD's of the special feature DVD's I already own. I ONLY want the extended versions, that's all.

threefiftyrocket
  Mar 21, 2011
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okay... don't buy it

shamon
  Mar 21, 2011
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So this don't come with the standard that cool i guess i will keep those and i will be buying this boxset can't wait.

Arkadin
  Mar 21, 2011
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I don't think I can laugh any harder at people who have talked about these EEs for 4 years complaining about the films being split over 2 discs.
I mean LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw: best decision ever for overall pq quality.
50gb can be enough, sure, but it can also be constraining for an epic like this.
mredman
  Mar 21, 2011
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BIG fail that they are splitting the movies on BD. That is why BD is invented to house more content in HD. This is a joke
Icemouth
  Mar 21, 2011
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Who actually wants this? Is ANYONE going to actually watch 9 bonus discs of useless crap...?

brentus
  Mar 21, 2011
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Wow, 50 GB and it needs to be split? Thank goodness HD-DVD lost the format war!
d6a4s5
  Mar 21, 2011
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I understand the choice/need for two discs for these films...but there are a few things worth mentioning here...

1. If they weren't going to put all the special features on to Blu-Ray, then they probably shouldn't even include them in this set...as a large majority of those who will be buying this set, already have the previous DVD versions and all the content is the same. This would also cut down the overall cost of the set and possibly result in more sales.

2. Anyone who cares to listen to any of the 4 commentary tracks for these Extended Editions has probably already done so with the previous DVD releases, so that's something else they could have left off the discs, giving the film and surround sound tracks more room to breath on the Blu-Rays and possibly allowing the films to go onto just one Blu-Ray Disc each.

3. Some have mentioned they'd like to have a more "theatrical experience" with the Extended Editions...and someone else has mentioned that there "was no theatrical presentation" of these Extended cuts, when in actuality, there were...albeit (to my knowledge) only for 'Fellowship' and 'Two Towers'. They were presented in various theaters all day leading up to the midnight premiere of 'Return Of The King'. Granted, they were presented with the 'intermissions', but I think it would be a nice option to be able to sit down and watch each film in one, uninterrupted viewing...one, continuous flow of LOTR.

Obviously, you can't please all the people, all the time...but it does seem like those responsible for this long awaited Blu-Ray set probably could have done a better job in terms of overall disc management in an effort to better streamline the entire set.

rdkimes
  Mar 21, 2011
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I wish they would also release a 6 disc set with just the movies. I don't need the DVD's, already have them with the DVD extended editions.
Icemouth
  Mar 21, 2011
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@the Hurf

"I really don't get why these films would be spread across two blu-rays. The original DVD Extended Editions were spread across two 10GB discs per film, each with four commentaries and I think four different audio options. So that's 20GB on two discs?

By my calculations that still leaves 25-30GB of space on a dual-layer blu-ray"


Uh, except they don't copy and paste the DVD version onto a Blu-Ray disc, it takes more space chief...

magic8balls
  Mar 21, 2011
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I am both excited and a little bummed over the LOTR release. I am bummed that each movie is on 2 blu rays, but who isn't. But i am so excited to have a LOTR marathon, it's been to long!

Hartley
  Mar 21, 2011
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Heaven forbid people will have to spend 30 seconds swapping discs... seriously, what's the big deal here? I'd rather a higher bitrate than squeezing the films onto one disc JUST for the sake of it being on one disc.

I mean, I can kind of understand the complaining for Fellowship and, to a lesser extent, Two Towers, but Return of the King if 4 1/2 hours long!!! Anyone expecting a 4 1/2 hour long film to be in its best available audio/video presentation in 1080p on a single disc is being extremely unrealistic...
insomniac013
  Mar 21, 2011
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I've already expressed my disappointment in this release, but what is the point of giving an entire disc for a single 85 minute (106 for TTT and 112 min. for ROTK) long documentary?! Why are they here anyway?? I doubt there's anything in those docs that the Appendices didn't talk about... Why not go the extra mile and add 3 more discs that contains the Theatrical Cut extras? The ones with the trailers and webdocs and stuff?

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KrugStillo
  Mar 21, 2011
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You complainers do realize that it states that Fellowship was remastered from the original 2k master files. 2k=1920 by 1080=Blu-ray resolution. Regardless of the 2-disc thing we are basically getting the master files of these movies to play at home. What the hell more could you people want? Seemingly there is no more to offer. All the extra discs does kick up price but all the docu's were probably finished in SD so what difference does it make if they are on DVD or BD, it's still the same quality. I think people around here complain just to hear themselves talk. I don't even knwo why I'm bothering to write this because no one will care anyway. You guys just wait for your Super Deluxe Ultimate Editions while I watch the actual master quality files that Peter Jackson saw when he made the films on my home theater.

4K display
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'll take the word of a Sony Pictures Blu-ray technical guru over ANYONE on this forum any day of the week, (especially when you look at his track record):

"It's no problem to put 4+ hours on a BD50. LOA will fit nicely."

and that comment was made over three years ago, how much have encoders improved since then?
I guess we'll see when Lawrence of Arabia finally lands on 1 or 2 discs...

http://forum.blu-ray.com/573641-post27.html
Dr.World
  Mar 21, 2011
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@KrugStillo: I think instead of having 9 dvds, most people would rather fit all of that on not as many blu-ray discs, even though the content is in SD.

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Torgon
  Mar 21, 2011
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@yobi111
This is slightly off topic but you said 'Better than the $85 I'm dishing out for the Complete Star Wars Saga (3 of those films I may never watch again). ' Why would you do that. Just buy the 'Star Wars: The Original Trilogy (Episodes IV - VI)' for $44.99 and save some money. You'll save $40 and never have to watch those other three movies again.

phin
  Mar 21, 2011
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Dr. World that is what I think why not put the extras in SD on one blu ray disc.

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KrugStillo
  Mar 21, 2011
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Obviously all are entitled to thier personal opinions. I however don't see a difference between the 9 DVD's or 3 BD's if the content is actually the same exact SD content. It's not gonna change the price of the set. WB will still charge the same retail no matter what. It is obviously that they didn't want to pay the extra costs of authoring new material. They are just repressing the existing DVD's and packaging them with the sets. This does suck for those who already own them but unfortunately that is the nature of the beast. Studios will always suck up as much money out of a cash cow that they can. Anyone who has bought thier 35th edition of The Evil Dead (obviously I'm exagerating here) knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Kaminari
  Mar 21, 2011
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I suspect most if not all bonus features were filmed in SD to begin with, which would make it completely irrelevant to release them on BD.

And since I already own all those bonus features, I will wait again for a barebone extended trilogy.
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yellariel
  Mar 21, 2011
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For anyone here who has been saying that "we shouldn't complain about the movies being on 2 seperate discs" well let me tell you about a "not so-much secret" there's already a 100gb bluray disc, they couldn't used that? Do they live under the rock like you fresh off-the-boat guys?

Spartacus Bluray is the perfect example because the quality of those discs are really good and it will stand the test of time 30 years from now it will still be really good looking and guess what? 4 episodes(51 min each) on one disc...And you still think they couldn't fit Lord of the rings on one disc. Trust me they could've this is business and they know what they are doing and I advise everyone not to buy this and wait a little longer for the stand-alone disc for all three movies.

rodkeys
  Mar 21, 2011
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@yellariel: Are you really sure that these stand-alone discs for all three movies will be released some day? If you do, then may I know when, please? Thank You.
Brown
  Mar 21, 2011
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Once again, just look at what Fox did with the ALIEN box set. That's care and respect for the audience. They gave us a reason to upgrade.

And while I do not worry as much as others here about splitting the movies on separate discs, Lionsgate put out five, screen-filling episodes of MAD MEN on certain single blu-ray discs, and the picture is spectacular.

Mobe1969
  Mar 21, 2011
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WTF? Disc swapping? How idiotic. It isn't THAT long, plus all 2.35:1 so only 2/3rds of an image compared to full frame 16:9 as well. Got to be some retard disc count bumper.

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MikaLove
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm going to wait for the A/V reviews for sure before buying this!
$120 is outrageous! NOT worth it, especially not with the extra shitty DVD's that I already paid for and don't want again, plus it's a waste of material. Not environmentally friendly. I'd rather wait for the individual releases. Screw the artsy fartsy point of this set.
Also I just can't get over that I (we) once again will have to change discs. It takes at least one or two minutes!
On pt 1 and 2 it's not that awfully bad, but who doesn't remember the Grond scene which is CHOPPED OFF. And then you have to dick around to change discs, wait... and you hear the last echo of "...Grond" once again in the next entered scene.
Crap! It takes away a LOT of magic and the general feeling.
Plus, some time in a not too distant future, there will be BD's for us consumers which can store a lot more than the ridiculous amount of 50 GB. There are BD discs with 16 (sixteen) layers...! That's 400 GB's. So screw the "50 GB debate". It's just a matter of time. And THEN we will have to pay for a NEW set of these movies. F**k it.
We should get them for free by then. (And nooo – I still don't want the bloody DVD's!)
Why not include a betamax instead? They are at least of historical value...
Maybe this is a joke to WB and some others, but not to me!
I want p.e.r.f.e.c.t.i.o.n. for these movies. Nothing else.

Old Bones
  Mar 21, 2011
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Just give me the 6 BD's , and shove the 9 DVD's that we all already have.

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devilnamedBuena
  Mar 21, 2011
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Allow me to let you in on one simple fact: When the extended editions screened here in L.A., THEY HAD NO INTERMISSION! Played straight through. Put that in yer pipe on smoke it.
nick67
  Mar 21, 2011
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I will just be glad when they are released.People moaned because they did not release them before,now we have a date for them and people are still not happy.Yes i am not bothered about the extras dvd,infact i hardly ever watch the extras on anything but that's the way it is.Everyone has choices in life,this time its buy or don't buy!

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Danielle Ni Dhighe
  Mar 21, 2011
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The Hurf, do you understand that the size of the SD files on DVD are irrelevant to how much space HD files might require on Blu-ray?

For those who already own the EE DVDs, you can always sell them for a few dollars. For people like me, who don't have the EE DVDs any longer, I'm glad all the special features are being ported over.

xSCARFACEx
  Mar 21, 2011
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Dances with Wolves Blu-ray is 238 minutes with DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 and they fit the whole movie on one disc. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring is 208 minutes, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is 223 minutes and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King is 250 minutes. So they could easily fit these on one disc each instead of two discs. I think one reason they are doing this is so people would not buy a Blu-Ray box set with 3 Blu-rays and 9 DVD's. DVD's should not even be in a Blu-Ray box set.

This is a hustle trust me. All these movies studios do is try to screw us over. If we stand up to them like we did with Gladiator Blu-Ray they will stop doing this crap.

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davidthenikonuser
  Mar 21, 2011
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Day one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

None of the extras where shot in HD, so DVD is fine for the extras. Adding more Blu-ray discs for the SD extras will make the price go up even more.
Tok
  Mar 21, 2011
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According to Bill Hunt @thebits.... each film will be split across two BD50s. I entirely agree with his take over there. 50GB is alot but I would be very interested in seeing how well these turn out with high avg BR. Sure other long movies have been squeezed onto BD50s but the average BR usually tops out around 20Mbps. I for one would like to see how good it looks with a BR closer to 40Mbps. The POTC disc were example of how great a film could look when maximizing it's bitrate. I know it's not everything, but it's one thing you can control for delivering a quality product.

darryl_05
  Mar 21, 2011
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This is awesome news! 2011 is shaping up to be a mint year for blu ray releases! Star Wars Saga, LOTR Extended editions, Ultimate Superman collection to name a few. It just keeps getting better!!! All we need now is Jurassic Park Trilogy and Indiana Jones Collection!

Bluyoda
  Mar 21, 2011
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You people are unbelievable!

AcidRain
  Mar 21, 2011
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I dont mind the 2 disc 1 movie, they will probably be like the fox and disney blu-ray, it asks you to enter the 2 disc, you take out the disc and you still see "insert disc 2" message and when you put it in in goes directly to the movie with all the setting already set. if they dont do that then it will really suck.

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beckmen
  Mar 21, 2011
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DVDs? WHY?! They are too cheap to put the features on BDs like CdL did for the Alien Anthology? Or is i just so they can have an excuse to jack up the MSRP, claiming it's worth it since you get 15 discs. A BD-50 can hold, what...20 hours of SD video? The Appendices could all be on one disc, and the Costa Botes documentaries, as well as the other stuff not included with this release (the stuff from the theatrical edition releases) on another.

As for the disc-swapping: The first two movies would probably have fit on one disc (each). However, as long as they author the discs to allow a proper 'resume', disc swapping doesn't bother me. It WILL bother me, however...if I have to wait five minutes for the second disc of the movie to load.

I might wait a while to buy the set. 28 bucks a movie is a little high, especially since I already paid 50 bucks for each of these as it is on DVD. Which brings me to another minor complaint: The lack of features from the 2-disc DVDs. I don't see why they couldn't have thrown everything in this set. One BD disc for each movie's special features (features in SD is fine with me).
Russell22
  Mar 21, 2011
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How crap can you get, split over 2 discs !! ROTFL ! didnt we get passed this sort of travesty in 1998 when DVd came out !!

-diVe-
  Mar 21, 2011
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This is ridiculous that each movie is spread across two discs. Also, I'm tired of Warner Bros. putting supplements on DVDs. No buy for me. I was really looking forward to this too. This is a letdown of epic proportions.
Todd Smith
  Mar 21, 2011
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Such awesome news! I have been waiting for this announcement since first buying a HD-DVD and blu ray player years ago! Christmas in June this year!:):)
Seram
  Mar 21, 2011
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I hate the idea of a disc-swap as well. But if you won't buy a Bluray set of LOTR Extended because of a disc swap, which is the exact same way you've watched the extended ever since they were released, then you're not even a real LOTR fan.

Jarrod
  Mar 21, 2011
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Awesome looks like I will have a great birthday present waiting for me that day.

billzfan
  Mar 21, 2011
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If you don't want to swap discs, get the theatrical.

Pondosinatra
  Mar 21, 2011
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Each movie spans 2 discs? What is this Laserdisc?
Thy_Fett_Returns
  Mar 21, 2011
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All you guys saying you're glad they are split over 2 discs....why aren't you pissed EVERY FILM ISN'T split over 2 discs? hell, why not 3 discs? Why not 4? Hey, better compression right? See how stupid you sound?

Remember how Fox told us Avatar was going to be the best possible transfer and that's why it wasn't getting any features on the disc? Remember how when the extended cut came out all on one disc with additional audio tracks and enhanced menus it looked EXACTLY the same?

Don't be a sucker. They could do it if they wanted to and it wouldn't lose a pixel of information. There are many current examples which verify this fact.

That being said, switching discs isn't nearly as aggregious as throwing 9 DVDs into the box and telling us what a great Blu-ray set it is.
hoogoosedmoose41
  Mar 21, 2011
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No sale for me boxed set is just too pricy... how about just release all 3 movies on 3 blu ray discs without all the supplements... i might think about buying then but the extended versions i have on DVD will do... some of us have a tight budget these days.

phin
  Mar 21, 2011
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Kaminari - 2 hours ago


I suspect most if not all bonus features were filmed in SD to begin with, which would make it completely irrelevant to release them on BD.

Why - it would mean it would save a tonne of discs and make the box smaller, much tidier way. Studios should use BDS for getting more standard def on one disc. Like tv shows

bottoms
  Mar 21, 2011
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I think I'm more than satisfied with the 6 disc set I got on Black Friday for $24.00.
Post Prod
  Mar 21, 2011
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you could fit 1000 hours on a single blu-ray disc if you really wanted to.

I don't think anyone is claiming IT CAN NOT BE DONE. But if you value the best possible video quality and least likely amount of compression problems OVER getting off of your butt to swap a disc, then 2 discs is what you want.

If getting up is really that hard on you, maybe look into getting a multi-disc BR player.

Pretty much every film over 230 minutes on a single disc I've seen has had some kind of compression related issues.

Case in point Dances With Wolves is 239 minutes and it's bit rate hovered around 19.

Return of the King is 251 minutes. and I don't know about you, but having THESE movies hovering around 19 or less is not acceptable.

But then again there's plenty of DNR lovers and people who cry foul when they see "black bars". So I'm not shocked there are people wanting to compress Lord of the RIngs more than it needs to.


Now I will join you in complaining if the discs come out and they occupy less than half the disc.
Post Prod
  Mar 21, 2011
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To put things into context here. One of my companies clients is the Food Network.

and some of you people crying about it needing to be on one disc are asking for more compression than we can get away with in delivering COOKING SHOWS. The Food Network as higher standards for cooking shows than you do for Lord of the Rings.

jeffcapfiat
  Mar 21, 2011
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Does anyone know if TT and RotK might possibly get a remaster as well or is it only FotR?

EvilGamerX
  Mar 21, 2011
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Honestly, the movies being split are a no-buy for me.

Bucky
  Mar 21, 2011
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don't have a problem with them splitting the films over two discs, they just better do a great job with the transfers or they are going to hear it.
DanaCameron7320
  Mar 21, 2011
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@4K display: The entire trilogy could probably fit on a single BD50 disc if compressed enough, but at what quality?

I should think that New Line and WB execs and techs probably had lengthy discussions about what was technically possible versus maintaining artistic integrity, both weighed against fans' impossible-to-meet expectations. The compromise they reached will most likely delight the broadest spectrum of consumers.

With so much room across two discs to breathe, I'm expecting these films to look and sound purely sublime. Frankly, I'll be glad to have the intermissions to recover and fuel up for more.

What COULD have been consolidated on fewer discs (i.e., on a single BD for each film) are the SD Appendices. I understand not upgrading them to HD, but not putting them on BD is certainly a little disappointing. More than likely, it was purely a cost-saving measure.

phin
  Mar 21, 2011
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I think DanaCameron hit the nail on the head!
Aidenag
  Mar 21, 2011
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All you guys complaining about having to get off your lazy butts and move 10 feet to the BD player to switch discs need to realize one thing. Peter Jackson intended for there to be an intermission halfway through the extended editions.... That's how all 3 of them were played in theaters.. I actually did the entire 3 EE marathon at the Seattle Cinerama when it played, and it was probably the best movie going experience i have ever had.

I will say though that the DVD's are just a slap in the face though. very uncool of them to do that when they could of just kept it dvd quality and crammed the 9 discs onto 1 BD lol

Slim Jim
  Mar 21, 2011
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No buy for me because of the split
DanaCameron7320
  Mar 21, 2011
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I stand corrected on the Extended Editions having never played theatrically. Either they didn't have a wide theatrical run or they just weren't shown in my area. Too bad. I'd have paid money to see them on the big screen.
armonmel
  Mar 21, 2011
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Yep, definitely a day 1 but it sucks that they put the movie over 2 blu ray discs and 9 regular dvds suck too but alas, ohhh well, still a day 1!
batlash
  Mar 21, 2011
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Well, I'll very likely buy it once it shows at an insane special price on Black Friday or some such. I'm in no rush. I still haven't held the Extended Edition Marathon I've been planning since the EE of "Return of the King" came out.

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Pirate King
  Mar 21, 2011
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Just one comment......... I am very excited that we are finally getting the EE's. This makes me happy and I will gladly add these wonderful films to my collection.

killermike2178
  Mar 21, 2011
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1. As I said in my last post, why bother upgrading to HD supplements and put them on more expensive BDs, if most people are only going to view them 1-2 times at most? Just stick with SD DVDs for those.

2. The split guarantees that we will get the best PQ/AQ possible, along with the multiple commentaries, as opposed to getting it all crammed onto one disc. They probably just said FotR was getting restored just address the elephant in the room. They are probably doing restorations of all 3 movies. Don't get your panties in a twist.

3. If $83.99 is a wee bit out of your price range, go to your local pawn shop and buy the cheapest gun you can afford, so you can just put an end to your miserable, thrifty life. No, but seriously, just wait until Black Friday 5 months later. I got LOST: The Complete Collection BD for 124.99 on Black Friday last year. I'd imagine this one, along with Star Wars Complete Saga, will go for a lot cheaper than their current list prices at that time this year. There's no law that says that you absolutely have to buy on Day 1, let alone at all. If you honestly believe they're gonna go through the effort of upgrading supplements to HD, and getting rid of commentaries that they worked so hard on just because you're too lazy to get up and change discs/impatient to wait for part 2 to load, all for $49.99, be my guest and wait, as long as you don't mind looooooooooonnnnnng waits.

Bumbuliuz
  Mar 21, 2011
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Instant day 1 buy for me. Been counting the day for this to come. A bit bummed about all the Dvd's. But I'll live.

Petra_Kalbrain
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'm all in for this set. IT'S SELLING FOR $83.99, NOT $120!!! Suggested Retail is $120! Nobody ever sells ANYTHING at the Suggested Retail price!!!

Each film on 2 discs = High A/V quality (in various languages) while satisfying my need to have all of the awesome commentaries at my disposal. 1 BD per film would sacrifice the commentaries, the language audio tracks, AND compress the A/V files to the point of comprimise.

9 DVDs = As I see it, they are being included for less than $1 each. $12.50 per BD is awesome based on industry standards of $20+ for 1 BD disc. That makes each film in HD WORTH the $25 estimate I make here. That makes the films alone WORTH $75 of the price tag. Therefore, $9 for 9 DVDs ain't that bad.

LOTR EE DVD SETS = Value for resale/trade will be maximized thanks to the inclusion of the full sets and not removing all of the extra feature discs. The resale will more than make up for the estimated "less than $1 per DVD" price tag I've justified for the 9 DVDs in this BD SET.

In my case, I have a pre-order with BESTBUY.CA that totals $79.96! That makes it all even sweeter.
Thy_Fett_Returns
  Mar 21, 2011
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@Post Prod, that's because you have to use mpeg2 and not AVC. You can't compare the two because AVC is WAAAY more efficient. Just look at the crap BDs that came out in the first year that were saddled with mpeg2.

Saying they can't possibly look better than they will on this set is just wishful thinking not based in reality. You know it. I know it.

2K is no big deal. I'm sure it's still the same HD master they used for the original DVD. Sure it will look SLIGHTLY better, but don't expect much or you'll be dissapointed. After all, film is between 6K and 8K, so they ALREADY gave up a lot of detail when they made that first 2K master. Then they're reducing it again for the 1080p transfer. The biggest change is that they probably used a little bit of DNR the first time before studios knew that would piss people off more than the resulting grain would.

All of these films really need a new 4K master. A direct downsize to 1080p retains a lot of the detail, particularly with advanced new techniques. I'm sure they'll do this for the next set that includes The Hobbit.

I'm betting that set will include the following:
1) Both cuts on one disc, and the quality will blow this version away.
2) All these features on 3 BDs, either HD or SD.
3) The deleted scenes Jackson's been promising for years.
4) The features from the theatrical sets.
5) NEW FEATURES! Probably consisting of Maximum Movie Mode PIP plus new interviews and behind the scenes featurettes.
6) The pack-in DVDs of the original gift sets integrated into the features BDs.
7) Awesome limited packaging, perhaps featuring the Balrog or Sauron's helmet.

So for 5 movies I'm guessing 10 BDs. 1 for each film, 1 for the features for each film.

And it will be about $100.

What do you think? Worth waiting for? Just remember that if you buy THIS set, you lose the right to bitch about double-dips. You are in fact ACCEPTING double-dips and actively encouraging them.

This set could have been fricken' AMAZING and could have been a fantastic companian piece to the Hobbit set they will sell. But why would they do that when they can take you from behind over and over again and not only won't you complain, you will say "Please sir may I have another?"?

I didn't buy the theatrical set and I won't buy this one either. I'll wait for the GOOD one. This is why they took "limited" off the label because it was flat-out telling you a better one is coming.
Post Prod
  Mar 21, 2011
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um Fett I know of no current network that accepts mpeg2 delivery. and no company I know ingest and onlines broadcast content in mpeg2. Most post houses use Avid Dnx codecs and deliver in HDCAM or HDCAMSR. If they capture footage to a non-tape or film source it is almost always DVDproHD or AVC intra.

And the cooking shows that do capture to AVC are still doing it to AVC intra50 or AVC intra100. So you're talking around a GB a minute compression there.
Thy_Fett_Returns
  Mar 21, 2011
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Ok Post Prod, you know more about this than I do but my understanding is that mpeg2 was the standard set by the FCC because it was the only codec available at the time HDTV started and they wanted universal compliance.

"MPEG-2 is the core of most digital television "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpeg2

But it sounds to me that cable shows are using different compression than what is used in consumer A/V equipment, thus completely negating your point. Obviously NO FILM on Blu-ray has EVER been encoded at 1GB/minute so your point is moot. That's not even in the BD spec so it's impossible. So I guess you are saying "The Food Network cares more about their shows than you care about movies on Blu-ray". I suppose you could say the same thing about everything recorded on film since that has way more information on it than the 1080p we have on BD.

"Laurel and Hardy cared more about the quality of their films than you do about any Blu-ray you've ever bought!"

Ha ha, whatever dude. And non-HD digital cable is so disgusting I can't believe money is actually charged for it. In most cases you'd get a better picture streaming something over the internet.
Post Prod
  Mar 21, 2011
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Fett: You clearly have very little clue what you are talking about. As judging by your mpeg2 comment.

As has beens stated, yes it's possible to fit as much footage as they want on a single 50GB disc. But it is risky, even with AVC, to expect no noticeable compression artifacts squeezing that much footage onto one disc.

Is it possible? Sure it's possible. But anyone who has actual experience in this, will tell you it is not likely and it's always better to opt for more space and larger video bandwidth when given the choice. If and that's a big IF, IF video quality is a top priority.


I challenge you or anyone here to find me one person that works in post that would disagree with that.

It's a moot point because the movie will remain split. and I am glad. and the tears of the people who refuse to buy this set based on this alone, I will drink slurp said tears like sweet nectar of the gods as I enjoy my compression artifact free extended lord of the rings set.

Nathan Arizona
  Mar 21, 2011
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To all those complaining about two discs per film -- I'm sure if you politely ask your mom she'll come downstairs and switch discs for you.
Post Prod
  Mar 21, 2011
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ok fett, sorry, I'm being a little coy and jerky.
I just think you're being a bit of a troll on this.

To be honest your mpeg2 comment is base din some slight reality, as there was a an older Digibeta format that used mpeg2 compression. But it's not used anymore. and yes comparing consumer grade compression formats with production level ones is apples and oranges. My main point was and still is, we should have nigher standards for the video quality pipline for this than the food network has for cooking shows.

I realize in response to you being trolly I was also being trolly.

So I take a step back from that and wish you a pleasant evening.

MCAN
  Mar 21, 2011
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I was under the impression that PJ was saving deleted scenes and bloopers for this release. Guess not until the Super complete epic box set including The Hobbit and LOTR

McHugh
  Mar 21, 2011
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I'll wait to see what the price here in Canada is. I rarely watch the extras and already have the boxed DVD extended version so I am assuming that the extras to be included in the BD set are the same. If the BD set is too expensive ($120) then I'll wait until the individual movies are released which I'm hoping will be at a lower price.

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MisterPine
  Mar 21, 2011
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I was excited for this release but I don't care much about the DVDs and I hate that the movies are split on 2 discs.

AaronSCH
  Mar 21, 2011
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Even though the supplements are standard definition, they should have been put on Blu-ray disc. First, there would have been fewer discs necessary; second, the navigation system of Blu-ray disc is more convenient and three, the discs are more resistant to scratching. I own a PS3 and loading DVDs through the passive transport system can scratch the surface of DVDs. I prefer using a player that has a drawer for disc transport when viewing DVDs.

Ray O. Blu
  Mar 22, 2011
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Hmm...

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...pass
drn211
  Mar 22, 2011
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@thy_fett: If your giving them new 4K transfers then there is no way you can fit the three LOTR movies on one disk especially if you give them new pip feature (to say nothing of the 4 commentaries they will certaintly port over).

I do agree that the special features should be put on BD though. I would say three for each of the three movies and either 2 or 3 for The Hobbit movies depending on their length. It might end up at 15 BDs.
Biggiesized
  Mar 22, 2011
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Post Prod, there still remains to be seen if all traces of DVNR have been removed from this release. The broadcast masters were acceptable until they were fudged up. If they were going to remaster FotR, which is probably just marketing speak for recycling the older adequate masters, why not do it for the rest of the trilogy?

What they really need to do is sit down with Peter Jackson (not going to happen now that The Hobbit just began production), and re-scan all of the original elements, re-render all of the effects at a higher resolution for better matte painting, re-color correct (probably the most laborious step) and archive. They shot these films on early ARRI Ultra Primes so the OCN should have lots of detail. These films could really look glorious on Blu-ray if they were given the same tender, loving care that SPHE seems to provide.



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