Nintendo are said to be looking at turning the fortunes of their home console business
around and are set to announce the successor to their massively successful Wii home
console at E3. Sources have revealed to Blu-ray.com that Nintendo are looking at including
Blu-ray as the main optical drive. This would be a natural progression from the Wii which
uses DVD, but it isn't clear if Nintendo would enable BD movie playback on the new console or
whether they would just use it for data as they do with DVD on the Wii. This new device could be the internal successor to the Blu-ray enabled Wii that was rumored for release in 2010.
If it has a BD drive, I really hope it can play movies as well. The next generation of consoles is upon us! I think the competition among hardcore games will really set on fire, if Nintendo joins the CoD, GTA (for home consoles) etc. franchises.
I'm in regardless of how it turns out. I absolutely must play the inevitable Zelda game for the system (and, to a lesser extent, the Marios). But a BD drive with graphics superior to the PS3? Icing on the cake.
Nice, not a Nintendo fan but would love them to add blu-ray support as a huge slap in the face to Microsoft who is still sulking over losing the format war. Leaks of Windows 8 have already hit the net and the full version should be out in a year or so and I am betting it will still not have native blu-ray support in Windows Media Player. Microsoft has to really pull itself out of the stone-age one day...
Well the bottom line is there has to be quality games for it otherwise I won't be interested in it as well. Blu-ray or no Blu-ray.One of the reasons I didn't purchase a Wii was there was not any games that I was truly interested in and the games that I might had been interested in I own a PS3 and Xbox360 for those.
"Nintendo are said to be looking at turning the fortunes of their home console business around"
So... they want to do a 180 from raking it in hand-over-fist?! I'm not sure you've really looked that closely at the fortunes of Nintendo's home console business over the last few years. Anyone who'd want to turn THAT around is certifiable.
Uh..."Nintendo are said to be looking at turning the fortunes of their home console business"?
Turning what fortune? They are the best selling console of the generation already. Sure, sales have finally dipped - five years after release - but consistently it's outsold the others. We can debate all day about the quality of games (3rd party really dropped the ball with Wii, as usual with Nintendo products post-SNES) but it's far and way the best seller and has made much more money (since they have made a profit on every Wii sold since launch, unlike competitors who had to take losses at first just to get the consoles out the door).
After the backstabbing (by Nintendo to Sony) around the CD Drive that led to the creation of the Playstation itself, it would be an interesting turn of events.
So many rumors float around E3 ... we'll see
Well it's about time. There is no way Nintendo was going to get away with having a non-HD console in the market again. Will be interesting to see if this is true and also if games will really benefit from the added space.
It's about time that Nintendo put out an HD system. Even though the system sold well, it was lacking in the software department. The games lacked variety and the only Wii-exclusive games that were great enough to purchase a Wii for were made by Nintendo! I'll eventually get the successor, but only once the inevitable Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games come out. Speaking of which, the new Zelda game (Skyward Sword) hasn't even been released yet. I'm wondering if they are going to do the same thing they did with Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and release a version for both systems...
Either way, it should be an interesting step for Nintendo considering they have been all about innovation and not about great graphics and mainstream gameplay. Plus one of the reasons the Wii sold so well is the pricing. The hardware wasn't as expensive as the X360 or PS3. Prices for those systems have gone down a lot since launch (heck, the PS3 started at nearly $500!). The Wii was also more family oriented with "kid games", such as Mario, that were exclusive to the system which made more parents buy it for their children. Also the fact that the Wii used motion controls making the player more active was a selling point. But now that the PS Move and Kinect peripherals have been launched, I think that Nintendo is trying to step it up by adding the features that sold millions of X360s and PS3s.
By the way, I've heard that both of the competing systems will be going another 5 to 10 years without a successor. Maybe Nintendo will catch up with their hardware.
love to see mario in 1080p all those colours be like watching a pixar movie.
third parties will still put out crap as usual. no third part has ever come close to Nintendo in House teams.
and wine that people dont buy crap titles due to their lazy efforts. on that Note I want body Harvest in HD. come on rockstar remake it
Hm Nintendo made a good movie to include blu ray but the development costs better not be higher than PS3 or 360. Anyways Sony benefits from this decision lol. Nintendo might win back the hardcore audience but I guess it comes down to the pricing/marketing.
Personally, I've been patiently waiting for Nintendo's return. I mean I understand why they target children and families, but it would be nice to see them appeal to a broader audience, specifically the hardcore gamers they seem to have forgotten about. I would love to invest in a graphically superior, movie playing powerhouse that Nintendo could provide if they choose. The thought of a Blu-ray equipped Nintendo console, and games like Mario, Star Fox, & Smash Bros. in 1080p! Now we're talking! P.S. No more motion controls!
I just hope they use the processing power and blu-ray drive to bring new features to console. Gaming has evolved so much in an era of Wiis, Kinects, App stores, Facebooks, and all the like..... We as a community not only play games differently but interact while gaming differently than in the past. I'm counting on the big N to REALLY innovate in terms of not just horsepower, but of entertainment, control, interaction, sharing and socialization. I think big things are coming this E3 from Nintendo and Sony.
Microsoft not so much But We'll see, who knows right?
Nintendo lost hardcore gamers when they decided not to have blood in Mortal Kombat. They can come out with 20 more Zelda and Mario games (I'm very sure they will. It's all they know how to do) and I still won't have any interest in a Nintendo system.
None of the comments are the least bit skeptical?? Seriously???
Nintendo ALWAYS creates a console that sells for a profit. The Wii was underpowered but Nintendo made a money off each unit sold. Sony and Microsoft both sold their consoles at a gigantic loss, making it up in the games sales.
How can Nintendo put in a BD drive, make it more powerful than the PS3, and STILL make a profit off unit sales? Right there the rumor is almost 100% debunked. MAYBE they are working on a new console. MAYBE that console will have BD. MAYBE it will be more powerful than the PS3. But their business model says no to both.
@EatingPie No reason to be skeptical when it has been confirmed by several reliable industry insiders via IGN and Game Informer. The Wii will probably drop to $100-$150 and this new console will launch at $250-$350 at most.
And Nintendo will not stop making consoles any time soon. Pokemon sales alone can keep that company afloat for the next 10 years probably lol
the 3dii?? hdii?? hdwii?? sounds like great possible console names! what have they sold 85 million+ units in the u.s. only? i don't think nintendo can fail... exept for the virtual boy! bring on hd ( 1080p ) nintendo gaming, and make it backwards compatible.... you will be looking at the one and only console for the u.s.
I'm a huge Nintendo nerd. Hearing about how it might be more powerful than the other HD consoles is one thing, but having a Blu-ray drive on top of that makes me almost a little too excited. Bring it on!
My response to the blu-ray part of the "news" at this point is who cares. Anyone who was interested in blu-ray already owns like 3 players, and anyone wanting to get into it can get a decent one for under $100 now.
Hey blu-ray.com, 3 years ago called, it wants it's excitement about this potential news back.
@DefTechPioElite: "No reason to be skeptical when it has been confirmed by several reliable industry insiders via IGN and Game Informer."
Wait, I gave *reasons* to be skeptical! Primarily that Nintendo's business model is to earn a profit from the actual consoles. I don't know how this can happen with both Blu-ray and horsepower.
What has been confirmed is a *rumor*, not an actual console.
If I come off as rude, I certainly don't mean to. I really, really want BD to land in the upcoming Nintendo system (and the next XBox). I just think there's a lot of counting your chickens before their hatched going on, and that often leads to a lot less chickens and a lot more Hubris!
If Nintendo can make 3D handhelds (something sony wasn't willing to do), certainly they could come through with 3D on a console--but will they? It's the Big N's way or the highway. I think the other consoles put much more stock in the opinions of their fanbase. How about a Goonies game-without the mermaid)? When is E3?
That was my biggest gripe about the wii was no HD. I highly doubt they will go the Bluray route though considering the price of the drive. In order for Nintendo to compete with MS and Sony they have to come in at a lower price point. Although It would be nice.
"Nintendo lost hardcore gamers when they decided not to have blood in Mortal Kombat. They can come out with 20 more Zelda and Mario games (I'm very sure they will. It's all they know how to do) and I still won't have any interest in a Nintendo system."
MK2 for the SNES had blood in it and was 10x better than its Genesis counterpart.
If proven true then in the long term sure this is good news for the format, however in the short to medium term this could prove problematic. We're already hearing reports about delays to film titles on blu-ray release towards the end of this year because of the oncoming manufacturing shortfall in BD disc replication. If the BDii or whatever it ends up being called uses Blu-ray for Games as well then that'll only put added pressure on manufacturing enough discs to go around.
I don't believe it's an announcement they'll make anytime soon: if it was true this close to E3 word would have leaked before now via a developer.
It's a fact that the Wii has outsold ps3 and the 360 combined, due in large part to their iniital price point. That was achieved by dropping dvd playback, so I don't see them creating a $300+ platform.They don't loss lead with their hardware like sony and microsoft do.
To play advocate, however, it would be a go for the jugular move and capitalizing on their install base. That just doesn't seem like them, and if this had broken in Oct/Nov (E3 announcement of BD Wii) I'd be more inclined to believe it.
i love and will never give up my XBOX 360 but this is huge ! Microsofts new larger DVD format is a step forward but after this news... seems to be taking a step back now for sure. Its a shame that M$ isn't doing something to counter bluray legitimately. Why don't they just use their HD DVD format for the XBOX ? i dunno...i may be misinformed or whatever but they better step up their game for the next XBOX cause a larger capacity DVD isn't gonna cut it ! And thats if the new console even has a disc tray cause everything seems to be pointing towards digital downloads by the time the next generation consoles hit the shelves around 2015.
I know I'm late to the party, but I'll comment anyway. It is 2011 and if this is going to be Nintendo's new machine, I sure would hope that it's more powerful than the XBox 360 and PS3, machine's that are 5 and 6 years old now! I like how it being more powerful than 5 year old consoles is EXCITING! LOL! It would be pretty pathetic of Nintendo if it wasn't more powerful! That said, what does it matter if the machine is more powerful than consoles that are 5+ years old? YAY, Nintendo?! Then, when the new Playstation and XBox comes out, they'll still be more powerful than whatever Nintendo is designing right now, because for some reason, in the last 10 years, Nintendo has been focusing on "Fun" instead of powerful hardware. Does Nintendo know that a console can be powerful and fun in the same package? Most Wii games are pathetic, lame and uninspired.
The console took off because people thought controlling games with motion would be a revolution, only to find out, it's pretty lame and repetitive after a while. 90% of Wii games are shovelware and somehow they tricked Joe six pack into thinking it was the coolest thing to have. Most people I know who own a Wii, bought one, played it for a few days and it now collects dust, and they own like, two games for it and haven't touched it in a year or more. Everyone I know who has an XBox or PS3, plays it all the time! I grew up with Nintendo, I love Nintendo, but call me un-excited for a new system from them, cause I assume it will be the same BS, marketing machine, with 90% crap games, like the Wii was.
Boring....regardless of whether or not it has a BD drive in it Nintendo lost me years ago. The gamecube was the beginning of their downfall in my eyes. Their franchises are just not enough anymore to hold my attention no matter what the graphics.
Not quite, whilst Sony have been driving BD adoption it's in the remit of the BDA to actually decide who does and doesn't get licensing. It's also in the BDA's interest to make as much money from Blu-ray as it can.
You could speculate that it's going to be rendered in 720p and upscaled to 1080p but there is literally no reason now not to go 1080p rendering. The tech required to do that is now literally 4 years old and would be cheap as chips to put in place. Don't forget all we're saying is basic 1080p graphics, not all the bells and whistles that a full modern pc card would give, 8/16x Anti-Aliasing etc..
Blu-ray, cartridge, usb stick . . . does it really matter unless the console actually plays Blu-ray movies?
Just like the Wii - who would care if it wasn't DVD except those who rip the DVDs to their hard drive? Its not like the games will be any cheaper for us because of cheaper manufacturing.
Unless it actually plays BD movies, I don't see much hype over the "it might have a BD drive in it!" If it doesn't play movies, any comparable storage device that has the same amount of storage and read speed is the same. Well, I guess the games would fit nicely in a CD book.
Just because Nintendo chooses an established format for game distribution in order to reduce cost *for them* doesn't mean much. Unless it plays movies
This is the biggest opportunity for Nintendo to have an extremely successful console in a LONG time, and they better not screw it up. The two most successful consoles of past generations were the SNES and PS2, both had extremely high sales and a gargantuan software library. There's a very good reason for this: Both were upgrades to an innovative console (NES and Playstation) that made its manufacturer the market leader.
The Wii is just like the NES and Playstation in this sense... it brought something entirely new and innovative to the scene and drew in a whole new audience of gamers. Its successor will capitalize on this and fix its flaws, and therefore will have the largest software library of its generation... just like the SNES and PS2.
Of course, the successor to the Wii's successor is where things will go downhill again for Nintendo. It'll be an upgrade to an upgrade, just like the N64 and PS3. It will have the most advanced hardware but won't offer anything completely new and innovative. What will be new and innovative is a console from another company, either a past market leader or a new player... and the cycle will begin again.
"Yes, the fifth highest selling console in history* is 'an experiment gone wrong'. Good observation.
*the 4 that beat it are; PS2, Nintendo DS, Game Boy, and PS1"
Just because it sold a lot, doesn't mean it's good. Vanilla Ice sold 10+ million records and ummmm... yeah... So the Wii sold a lot... and that proves what??? Nintendo is good at Marketing. The end.
I've been playing video games since the NES, had one when it first came out, when I was 5 years old. I can find fun and entertainment in almost any console. But, Nintendo started losing me with the Gamecube and seriously lost me at the Wii. It's fun for 5 minutes and then it's like, whatever. I can only play an uninspired bowling, baseball, golf, sword fighting, carnival games, soccer, hockey, for so long before I realize, it's just not fun. Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick. The end.
If motion sensors in gaming is such a failed gimmick, why is Microsoft taking it to the next level with Kinects? Why is Sony shuffling to the john with soiled underpants with their Wii knock-off trying to hang with the cool kids?
People will say the Wii has the highest sales over and over. Of the people I know with Wii's 1 of them uses it regularly. Of the people I know with 360/PS3 90% of them use it DAILY.
Wii was a gimmick, this is just an HD gimmick to cash in on how many people wanted HD when PS3/360 came out. Nintendo is way behind the curve here. Even if they try to make it for the hardcore gamers we will still take PSN/Live over the cruddy Nintendo servers. That and the fact that when they get this to hit the street Sony/M$ will probably already have announced their next system being a year or two off and way more powerful.
i think the Wii is also over-rated! though i have to admit iv'e NEVER gotten the chance to play it. i do LOVE Nintendo. i grew up on it damn near. but i guess i'm old fashioned cause i prefer my system to have um Controlers! sorry for my spelling.
& IF the NES well the company i mean is going to carry the BD format i'm sure it'll be like $500 bucks. cuz these company's don't care that this ecomony SUCKS! right now all they are about is money.
Nintendo is, and always has been, the great innovator that all other companies trail. They are game developing geniuses. Going into the 'HD Generation' of gaming platforms, they knew they were going to be at a disadvantage in terms of market share due to obvious gains PS3 and X-Box had made in the previous console war. So instead of wasting resources getting into a hardware arms race, they focused on innovating gameplay. On creating an affordable gaming platform the entire family could enjoy. Pushing motion control and their stable of old standby franchise. And beat the pants off both Sony and Microsoft in terms of market share.
Now Nintendo is poised to leap frog the competition in all aspects. When the new Nintendo is released, the PS3 and 360 will be seven (7) years old, that is a AGE in computer hardware development terms. And neither company has concrete plans for a successor system. Instead relying on a long system lifespan (remember for most of both system's existence all hardware was sold at a lose. To be made up in Software sales. Wii never had that problem. All of Nintendo's cash flow has been positive).
Nintendo currently has the largest product awareness, the initiative, and the innovation to DESTROY the competition out of the gate next game system cycle. And its all according to plan.
Things I fully expect the next Nintendo System to tackle and/or introduce. Hands Free Motion Sensing (built in Kinects type functionality), 3D gaming (in 2-3 years 3DHDTVs are going to be cheaper and probably glasses free. And the 3DS is the perfect technology proving ground), controllers that will have out-of-game functionality similar to iPod Touch. Yeah, some of those might be a pipe dream of mine, but I see those sorts of things as representing the near future of gaming. And who else but Nintendo to push all those things forward?
Because if Nintendo is one thing, they're the ones that push the future of GAMING forward, that's all they care about Games (also profits. They are very good at making a profit). Selling Hardware Specs is not their goal. (though to be sure, the next Nintendo will be a monster)
While I give Nintendo innovation, they need concrete online gaming servers and support before they are even considered by the hardcore gaming masses.
3D will not get big until they make glasses-free tv's at decent prices. I know there are early adopters who love 3D, but at $150-200 a pop PER PERSON for a set of glasses no one is going to buy into it.
I have got to say the uninformed comments here border on the laughable. So many people who don't know what they are talking about I started to reply to them but there are too many.
NINTENDO WON THIS ROUND OF CONSOLES.
Wii outsold PS3 and XBOX 360 handsdown, and Nintendo made a HELL of a lot more money than them because they refuse to sell their consoles below costs (Sony lost $250 per console during the first years).
It's for the very reasons people are deriding it, because "Hardcore" gamers didn't like it. Well, newsflash, but "hard core" gamers are not a growing population. The numbers are pretty stagnant - for every new generation that produces them, many grow up and give up videogames (not all, but many). Nintendo won because they sold to EVERYONE, not just people who want to use dual control sticks and 17 buttons to play shooters.
That said, there are some really difficult, immersive games on the Wii. Sure, there are a ton of crap titles, but lots of systems are like that. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is insane to fully complete. The lest technically innovative 1st party game on the Wii, "New Super Mario Brothers", is also one of the highest selling and most enjoyable video games I've ever played.
I have no problem with people preferring whatever system they do, but if you are going to bash Wii please keep your facts straight.
weather they put bluray or not is of no concern to me as long as they keep making mario starfox metroid and zelda games but i doubt this rumor is true as far as next gen consoles ill get the new Xbox 1st then nintendo's sucessor and ill pass with sony's ps4 i gave up with them they dont make enough games and online service for me to buy a bulky system sorry but right now im happy with my bluray player xbox 360 wii pc nes snes and HDdvdplayers and consoles
You are exactly correct. Nintendo has abandoned the hardcore and "real" gamers with the Wii. Most the hardcore crowd, probably won't be willing to give Nintendo a chance, when their new console hits. And the casual fanbase, which they've done everything to appease, doesn't care THAT much about gaming to drop more money on another "novelty", as you put it. I couldn't agree more. I feel they shot themselves in the foot with the Wii. Great, they made a lot of money. But, good luck getting the casual market to buy, yet, another Nintendo machine. And good luck getting the hardcore gamers to buy your next machine after you snubbed them with the Wii.
I know this isn't a gaming site but as a hardcore gamer, the wii has dozens of worthwhile titles. It's cheap and if your a gamer you need to own one.
Its not the hardware, its the games that make a system.
Although I don't agree with ricochetguro's claim that there are dozens of great games on the Wii, I'd have to say I don't completely agree with your statement, either. I, myself, own a Wii specifically for the Mario, Metroid, and Zelda games. Not to mention, it's backwards compatible with Gamecube games and has an additional downloadable library of classic NES, SNES, and N64 titles. Considering that it has lack of 3rd party support, IMO it's a cheap enough system to buy just for enjoying said classics. Exclusive titles are the real reason anyone chooses one system over another. It's the reason a "hardcore gamer", like myself, would own all three.
Getting back to the topic, I think that adding Blu-ray to a Nintendo system would be a huge step towards getting more gamers to purchase the system, mainly because developers wouldn't be so limited. If PS3 and X360 only made Move and Kinect games, developers would probably run for the hills (or at least to the PCs...).
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
New Super Mario Bros Wii
Super Paper Mario
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Metroid Prime 3
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Gaming systems are different then movies and your vhs comparison is ridiculous.
Fine here I go. Super Mario Galaxy 1/2, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, No More Heroes 1/2, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Fragile Dreams, Murumasu, Madworld, Fatal Frame 4, Sin and Punishment, The Last Story, Donkey Kong Country, LoZ Twilight Princess, Kirby Epic Yarn, etc. Need I go on? Thats only off the top of my head and I stopped myself(quite a bit of 3rd party support no?).
Your ignorent post embodies every annoying thing about apparent "hardcore" gamers that have no idea what their talking about.
And for your comment about me being in the xbox generation, thats completely untrue as I own ever recent major console(including handhelds such as the psp and 3ds) and a gaming pc. I actually love games and don't care what console their on.
The funny thing is that you can click on my profile and see what ps3 games I own. The fact that your argument is to insult me, proves you have no idea what your talking about. And its an online site's comment section, I'm not too worried about perfect grammer. Putting smiley faces after each comment you make is pretty childish. By now I've realized your a troll so I'm going to stop responding.
-How is the Wii not a gaming system?
-How are the Wii Sports titles not games?
-Also, if you could do away with all of the phrases that are in parentheses (like this) in your arguments, it would be much easier to not only read your posts, but to actually consider what you are attempting to say.
I own a Wii, as well as an Xbox 360, and I play both almost equally; I actually probably tend to play the Wii a bit more. Depending on what the next-generation consoles end up being, I would very much be interesting in buying Nintendo's new system, as well as potentially Microsoft's or Sony's. While I prefer to play games like Madden, NBA 2K, Gears, and shooters on my Xbox, I love Nintendo's lineup as well. All of the Mario games are fantastic, and I use my Wii for the Wii sports titles, NBA Jam, Donkey Kong, Goldeneye, Rayman, Metroid, Table Tennis, and virtual console titles. I know plenty of "hardcore gamers" who also have Wiis and play them often as well. Nintendo is just as viable with their new system as either of the other two companies because of their intent on reaching an encompassing consumer base. I'm interested to see what Nintendo will come up with.
And when it comes to the possibility of blu-ray for the new Nintendo system, I could really care less. If they go for it, great, and if not, that's fine too. I have a couple blu-ray players and don't really see the necessity in having BD playback on my gaming system.
Since when does being a hardcore gamer require that you play games at a high resolution? I think that, to a certain extent, graphics and resolution could make or break a game, but it has nothing to do with quality. I can't justify spending thousands of dollars on a high-end PC that I have to research and upgrade every time a new game comes out. Of course, I'm exaggerating, but considering that the majority, if not all, of the great games on PC are also on consoles, I think that a hardcore gamer wouldn't need to suffer the price of a PC to be considered hardcore.
Also, the Wii may not be a gaming system for everyone, but it's a gaming system nonetheless. I mean it doesn't play movies or music so what else coul it be? " " Therefore, anything put into the Wii is a game by definition, including Wii Sports. "...end of story"
The difference between the importance of resolution while watching movies and while playing games is simply the experience. When you watch a movie you are doing just that. Watching. Which is why a high resolution is important, especially on larger screens. You want to SEE the film the way it was intended.
As for games, the main experience involves gameplay. It doesn't revolve around resolution and fps. For example, if you were to plug any one of your many old school platforms, would you say you didn't enjoy the game because the resolution was horrible? No. But if you tossed in a VHS, it would barely be watchable causing the experience to be awful.
I can't really make a statement about fps because, honestly, I haven't ever viewed something in 60fps. Not even movies are 60fps.
"Turning their fortunes around" - did the person who wrote that know anything about the videogame industry at all? Turning their fortunes around would mean failing, because they were the #1 console this generation.
Still laughing it up with these comments. "I'm better because I play with more graphix, d00d!"
Some of the best games ever created were 8 and 16bit.
Games aren't solely about the resolution of the graphics. Although, Wii has some amazing games with those as well. Maybe not the photorealistic stuff you get on 360 of PS3, but I laugh my butt off because *REAL* hard core gamers play on PC.
Regardless, Wii was the indisputable champion this generation. Maybe not from the dwindling, limited "show me pretty and I love" crowd, but from the general public - which is something not done since Nintendo did it with the NES in the 80's.
Sure, the best games are first-party. That's a given with Nintendo. And people can go on all they want about it, but the facts are there. Wii has had the bestselling titles of the generation (how many 10+ mill selling titles did PS3 and XBOX have???), and the best selling console.
"Hard core" gamers on consoles is an oxymoron to begin with, but yeah - they weren't part of Nintendo's game plan with Wii. I've been playing Nintendo systems since the NES and ROB the Robot that first Xmas they were widely available, and what keeps me coming back is the quality of games. I've never bought a 360 or PS3 because while there are 2 or 3 games that look interesting (Arkham Asylum for one) anything I see is just repetitive shooters which frankly bore the heck out of me. Any other game I've liked is also on PC, so the consoles just don't make sense to me.
If you don't like Wii, great. Perhaps you are missing out on some great games, perhaps not. Whatever console you choose is obviously up to you. But this "Wii was a failure" thing, or the presumption that Nintendo somehow needs to "recover" from it is the silliest statement I've probably seen on these boards (even more so than the person who claimed that digital video has higher resolution than 35mm ROFL).
I think the word you are looking for is "immersion", not impact. Games like Super Mario Bros. and Pac-man both had impact but did not need a high resolution or framerate. If the game is to be immersive, however, than a high resolution and framerate to simulate "realness" is, by all means, what a game should have. All I'm saying is what Jim just stated. It isn't as necessary for gaming as it is for movies.
...and what I meant by "watching" is that's all you're doing. I'm sure that Super Mario Bros. and Pac-man would be boring as hell if you just watched them with no interaction.
"No, I'm not better...the games are far better (dood...)."
And that's where it's objective. Some Wii games are gorgeous. If you think games are all about the resolution of the graphics, you've missed out on a lot of great games. Some of the best games ever were 8bit and 16bit. Games can have GORGEOUS graphics and suck - it's about how much fun you have. If you are easily impressed with just eye candy, great - but for many games are MUCH more than that. It's about FUN, not just about "wow when I blew that guys head off it looked like real blood spurting."
""Maybe not the photorealistic stuff you get on 360 of PS3" Nevermind...I thought you might have some credibility for a second there, but I was wrong.
If resolution doesn't matter, then you have *no business* buying Blu-Ray discs or posting on Blu-Ray.com!"
ROFL. You crack me up. My guess is you are what, 19, 20? I didn't say resolution doesn't matter at all, but if it's the deciding factor on a good game or not, I feel sorry for you. You are missing out on some great games. If you think just being photorealistic is a good game, then just watch Blu-rays and hold a controller in your hand.
If you were a *real* hardcore gamer, you'd be playing PC anyway. Stop posing. I've played PS3 and XBOX games even if I don't own them. Repetitive BS most of them. Pretty isn't enough to entertain me, apparently it does you.
First, I wasn't aware that MW was in 60fps. Good to know. Second, I don't think anyone is claiming that resolution doesn't matter. What I think everyone is trying to say, at least what I am trying to say, is that it doesn't matter as much for gaming. I'm sure for a videophile, such as yourself, it makes all the difference in the world. But to the common consumer, it hasn't really been a "must" to enjoy it.
""Some Wii games are gorgeous" No, they're not. You're clearly not using a 1080p television or monitor. Sure; I can hook my GameCube up to my old CRT and call it 'gorgeous' all night, but that doesn't change the fact that it looks worse than your mother on Sunday morning to other's eyes. Heh...I kill me.""
Yup, you "kill you", as I guessed - you are a kid. Entertained by your own BS.
You apparently haven't seen Super Mario Galaxy.
Your name sums it all up - although I too prefer to purchase 1080p, most consumers can't tell the difference (and the human eye cannot unless you get into very large screens). You spell it out right there - you value numbers and statistics, not content and fun-factor.
So, let's see - I win because I enjoy the games they put out. Nintendo wins because they laughed all the way to the bank at the PS3 crowd that Sony took a $250 loss at on each console at launch. You...are here why? If you enjoy your games so much, why are you not playing them instead of sitting here arguing about a topic you clearly know nothing about?
"Right...who owned an NES on release date. Kid, I must be. You win nothing, because you're playing games on a system with specs that were impressive in 2000 (and you know it). Goodnight, guys..."
Haha...you just don't get it.
I do feel bad for you. The other day I played Kid Icarus and had a great time. That game is 25 years old.
Just because there are newer things out there doesn't mean lesser technology is less fun.
Not everyone is only impressed with "pretty/shiny" - as I said, if that is all a game is to you, then just stick in a Blu-ray and hold a controller in your hand. If gameplay doesn't matter, just resolution, then that's all you need right there. And you'll save a ton of $ to boot.
I'm not the one who isn't confident here - it's you who can't believe some of us can enjoy a game that isn't 1080p. I've got the facts and figures, and all you've got is...a big chip on your little shoulder. As soon as I brought out the facts, you just run away. Go play your pretty pictures - and may your superior resolution keep you warm at night.
The definition of a hardcore gamer will be argued for years to come. However, the fact remains that resolution and framerate don't make the game. The developers and how they use the tools that they are given is what makes the game. A game can be 60fps and still have framerate tears problems. The resolution can be 1080p and still be pixelated.
I agree that resolution is a huge factor in shooters and competitive gaming, but it is still not necessary for gaming in general (i.e. The games that don't require pin-point accuracy.)
We're defensive, yet you are the one that declared "goodnight" several posts ago.
You keep referring to the Wii as "pitiful", like any bully, you keep attacking things that other people like in effort to make yourself feel better.
Your abuse of parenthesis is actually because your thoughts are not clear. Instead of a logical flow, you keep inserting things haphazardly. And burying multiple ( within ( is simply incorrect. If you must do it you [do it (like this)].
Normally I wouldn't point this out, but since you are putting yourself out as the expert on everything, it's only relevant to point out your lack of clear thought expression.
I just think it's humorous to point out to someone with a big chip on their shoulders how silly they sound, especially when all they can do is spout the same rhetoric over and over, and has the nerve to tell me if I do not agree I have "no business" being at Blu-ray.com.
You keep saying that if it's not 1080p it's not worth playing, which says you are all about resolution and not actual gameplay.
As I said, if that is what you want, then you should just stick in a Blu-ray and hold a controller in your hand.
Apparently, I HAVE experienced it and didn't know it. So who are you to say I'm not qualified? Like I said before, I agree that resolution is definitely useful in shooters, but not in all games! Besides, you will never play all games on your PC. Even if 10 years from now you were somehow able to, they don't all support 1080p and 60fps. Which proves my point that it is not required to make a good game.
""I have fun playing the games." Hey, wait a minute...just a few minutes ago, you were telling us about your gorgeous 480i graphics. Weren't you going to back this up (or were you simply going to divert away from the topic again)?"
Back it up? I already did.
Super Mario Galaxy is a gorgeous game. So is Metroid.
Nothing to back up. Look and see.
We get it, you are so cool. So so cool! You are better than us. Your e-peen is so big! Your HARDWARE kills ours!
Geesh, how boring...
Oh, and you said about 10 posts ago "Goodnight" and that you were "done".
The value of a game is not simply in statistics and numbers.
The value of a game is in how much fun you have when you play it.
Just because a game is in 1080p does not mean it is fun.
Just because a game is not in 1080p does not mean it is not fun.
Why does it bother you so much that someone may enjoy a game that is not in 1080p? Not everyone is so easily impressed with graphics that may be attached to shoddy gameplay. Most PS3/360 games I have played have been sorely lacking in gameplay.
Let me guess, you are also one of those people that thinks Avatar is one of the best movies of all time, right?
At the end of the day, the fact of the matter remains, all the Wii has to offer that is really worth anything is Mario, Zelda, Metroid and other reboots. And to me, that isn't worth owning a Wii. Could we get some originality here? Not that those games aren't fun! I love Mario, Zelda, Punch Out. But, ever since the introduction of the Gamecube, that's the only kind of games Nintendo seems to rely on, minus a very, very few exceptions.
"You keep saying that if it's not 1080p it's not worth playing, which says you are all about resolution and not actual gameplay. "
And while graphics don't mean everything, it is 2011 and I do have a 60" HDTV and sorry, but 480p games do look kind of crappy, blown up on that thing. The least Nintendo could have done was gotten with the times and offered 720p. It's not that hard, even the OG XBox offered it on a lot of titles.
And it is gameplay that makes a game, indeed. But, even the Wii suffers in this area. Again, all the Wii really has is Mario, Zelda and their few other franchises. Please!!! I played Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 on the Gamecube. It was called Mario Sunshine. And I played Mario Sunshine on the N64. It was called Mario 64. And I've already played Zelda: Skyward Sword too, oh yeah, it looks just like Twilight Princess for Wii. Oh yeah, and Twilight Princess was available on Gamecube too. Oh, and I already played Twilight Princess too. It was called Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time. All Nintendo does is keep remaking the same games with minor graphical tweaks and adds stupid motion controls! Yipee! While PS3 can manage to introduce awesomely, fun games and stunning visuals to go with it. Sorry, Nintendo loses!
And I've always loved Nintendo. I'm not a Microsoft or Sony fanboy at all! But, Nintendo lost me and I'm not gonna pretend that the Wii is awesome when it's not. Sorry, to anyone who really likes the Wii, but it's seriously lame, for the most part.
"Billie, I'm not seeing what this has to do with 480i being "gorgeous." Again, let's keep on track here. You were telling us about gorgeous, 480i graphics, but had yet to defend how good they look on a television developed after 2003 (see: 720p, then 1080p (now completely commonplace)). Any help, here? "
I do think you need help, but I'm not a professional in the field you need help in with your complex.
Yes, I own a 1080p HDTV, and Super Mario Galaxy with component cables looks gorgeous. It's bright, colorful, detailed. So does Metroid.
How would you like me to "defend" that? The only thing you seem to understand are system specifications. The game looks gorgeous - it's beautiful. You obviously have not seen it on a properly calibrated TV.
"Billie, you likely couldn't afford to buy one of those systems"
Wow, are you THAT desperate to prove how big your e-peen is?
Hahaha...I could easily buy one, thanks.
You really crack me up. And the fact that you are "hot" for me and that you said you were going to bed an hour ago but still remain here trying to show me how big your e-peen is kind of pathetic - sorry, I'm not interested in dating you, no matter how big it is.
I said it was gorgeous because it is. And it's a fun game to play.
It's not deflection, it's the point of playing a game. To have fun. I think the graphics are gorgeous, and I have fun when playing.
I can't figure out why that bothers you so much. You also keep posting about "old tech" etc., and refuse to explain why a game that uses older technology is less fun.
I'm tickled that Nintendo will be doing 1080p. So now I get the most fun games, with even better graphics. I'm really excited. What I began posting about here was correcting the idiocy that Nintendo somehow "failed" with the Wii - which is one of the most successful home consoles of all time, and sold far and above the other systems available at the same time.
You, simply keep beating that same dead horse, and are hell bent on putting people down who enjoy a game that is not up to your visual standards. You said you were going to bed 15 posts ago. If you are going to keep repeating the same statement, and not explaining why you think resolution is the only factor in a good game, your time would probably be better spent doing what you promised over an hour ago.
"Yup...and you failed to back it up with any kind of assertion other than "it looks gorgeous to me," in spite of the fact that it looks like complete sugar, honey, and the rest next to my 1080p frames."
Nothing to back up. It's how I feel looking at while I'm enjoying the game.
Round and round you go, where you stop, everybody knows..."My e-peen, er, hardware is better than yours! I WIN TEH INTERNETZ!"
I think it's best you go to bed, because you ceased making sense long ago.
I said the 480i graphics on Super Mario Galaxy are gorgeous, and so did every review of the game.
They are. If you don't think so, good for you. It's good enough that I thoroughly enjoyed the game.
That may make me stupid, a simpleton, or whatever else makes you feel better to think - but it's not going to change. It's sad that my enjoyment of the game and thoughts on it's beauty are so offensive to you, but it is what it is.
@Jim - I know, but I'm waiting for a plane and it's amusing on my phone.
Or it was amusing. I'll let him cling to his system specs. It's sad that someone is so fixated, it's no wonder the best thing he has to do when lying in bed is posting here and not what I prefer to do in bed when not sleeping.
@riochetguro - "What the hell is wrong with you get1080? Your posts read like like a madman's."
His posts, his replying 3-5 times in a row over a few seconds, confused expression of thoughts, extreme focus on one idea to the dismissal of all others, constant need to point out how "my hardware" is better than "yours", use of such phrases as "if you don't like what I have you must not be able to afford it", and the fact he is lying in bed with a laptop and has nothing better to do in bed - well, it kind of screams right there for itself, doesn't it?
@ Jim Purcell Not sure if you're serious but bringing PC to a Wii news rumor is irrevelvant. You mean the real "Hardcore Gamers" who purchased a Wii and got burned by Nintendo for lack of hardcore titles. Mario and Zelda are casual. Metriod is hardcore.
@get1080pnot720p I actually did read your comments and Billie's. I agree with you that watching a 1080p movie owns watching a 480i movie every time. Therefore the same should be apply to gaming. I would not say gaming in 480i graphics are gorgeous cause they look really bad compared to gaming in 1080p.
"I played Arkham Asylum on a PS3. As well as a couple dozen other games. I'm sorry, it was not at my home so I do not know the model number, but it was on a high-end Sony Bravia that was at least 50". "
Since when did Sony start making a high-end 50" tv? They haven't made a good tv since they went lcd and 50" is just too small.
Hm now your talking about looking at tangible art which is different from watching images on a tv or any other screens. Art is subjective and I do not know much about paintings so I cannot comment on that.
@ricochetguro "I realize that by this point your trolling but the very fact that we're on a site like blu-ray.com shows that we have hd tvs. And nobody said that they only play wii games so we know very well the benefits of 1080p gaming. "
Exactly. No where did anyone say 1080p wouldn't be even better. However, that doesn't mean that a 480i game is automatically a piece of trash as some (well, one) is trying to put forth.
I'd *LOVE* if SMG was in 1080p. But I think even without it is still a beautiful game.
It's just like the classic argument on this site with screenshot scientists. Some people just love movies, and enjoy the benefits that 1080p can offer to *enhance* the experience when available. Some people are so obsessed with resolution that they spend all their time thinking and examining every pixel for possible imperfections and seem to miss the entire point of watching a film - the dialogue, story, acting, directing, etc. Do I want to watch every movie I can in 1080p? You bet! But if a film is not available in that format, that doesn't make it a bad, unwatchable film.
Same with games - but even more. Games are about gameplay and experience. Old MUD text-based games used to be a hoot (NETTREK, anyone?). Some of the best, most engaging, best-selling games of all time were written on 8bit and 16bit consoles. Games are about having fun when you play them. Sure, graphics can certainly help - but if that's all there is to it, why bother with playing a game in the first place. And this notion that all of a sudden something is ugly, trash, and awful and not worth playing just because someone else comes out with something prettier is just absurd.
I realize that by this point your trolling but the very fact that we're on a site like blu-ray.com shows that we have hd tvs. And nobody said that they only play wii games so we know very well the benefits of 1080p gaming. Like I told you earlier, I have a gaming pc(can't wait for The Witcher 2) along with all the other consoles.
My orignal statement was defending the wii's game selection which is excellent. I'm going to try to not get involved with your flaming again.
You said it perfectly, with that we can all ignore any other comments that 1080 posts.
Whoops I meant to hit the edit button, not delete.
The notion I find absurd, that I was pointing out above, is that somehow something that is fun and engaging is no longer so because something comes out with a single aspect being "better" automatically makes it trash or ugly.
Super Mario Galaxy has gorgeous graphics. Some may not agree. Just like some people think the Mona Lisa is a drab painting of an ugly woman, and other people thing it's one of the best artistic works ever created.
Just because Generic Shooter 8837 comes out in 1080p where it looks like real blood is spurting out of someone's head, doesn't mean previous games somehow lose all aesthetic value, and are suddenly sad and worthless.
I'm tickled that Nintendo wants to give us the same ridiculously fun games at even higher resolution. Notice, neither I nor anyone else has said "Oh I want them to stay 480p!" But this notion that somehow it all has to be crap because someone wrote some games that have better pictures (and no one has said one single thing about better GAMEPLAY, world interaction, etc. - all the other aspects that make up a game) is just sad.
I didn't mean 480i graphics are bad. They are pretty good but I wouldn't say they look incredible. Well HD graphics can really help in telling the story which is shown in movies and games like Final Fantasy 13.
When you say Super Mario Galaxy has 'gorgeous' graphics. I think what you mean to say is that SMG has gorgeous graphic design. Playing the strengths within the inherent weaknesses to the hardware (as any great artist will of course be better if they work with the weaknesses of their canvass).
You can have all the 'p's and FPS you want, if you don't know what you're doing with it, your end produce is going to be hideous and unoptimized.
I understand what your saying, about upscaling, but i don't get why your so obsessed by the fact that the next Nintendo system will be no better? Where are you getting you specs that you're flaunting so much? The system is still technically a rumor, and two years away for that matter. Specs probably aren't even nailed down yet, let alone released to give us a clear view of the new system's potential.
I think they can contribute to the overall experience, but I guess the point is they just aren't the absolute deciding factor for me. And a game I already enjoyed playing, even on "old" technology, doesn't get worse just because something better looking comes along.
I've played Far Cry 2 (unfortunately on an aging gaming rig so not at max settings) while I know that game does look damn good. Its an abysmal game in my experience. Lots of running back and forth, doing the same thing over and over again, and enemies that respawn every time you turn your back on the place you just cleared out. Among other problems (I liked Crysis a LOT more. Much more interesting game).
To bad that those fancy ass graphics aren't used to render more then same brown jungle over and over again.
"Jim, try this once to pay attention. Again (possibly the fourth time, here), I have plainly stated that the media has reported that the new Nintendo will include an R700 chip. About ten comments ago, I asked you (politely) to Google "R700." You can then conduct your own private research to determine that an R700 chip is going to have slightly more power than "Xenos," the GPU in the XBOX 360. AS A GPU EXPERT, let me assure you that this processor does not have enough power to render 1080p frames with current texture and polygon levels. Believe me when I tell you that it simply will not happen...again, you will have upscaled 720p-rendered frames...and nothing more, unless the R700 isn't the chip being used."
You try and pay attention. Take anything you hear 'from the media' at this point, because the media knows jack and shit right now. And one processor spec doesn't tell you anything about the rest of the system's architecture.
"To bad that those fancy ass graphics aren't used to render more then same brown jungle over and over again."
Ding ding ding. We have a winner!
All the pretty graphics in the world mean nothing if the game isn't fun. You can have the most gorgeous game ever known and if the gameplay sucks, it still sucks.
Example : Superman64. It was an amazing, gorgeous game when it came out. But it's known as one of the worst games ever made because it was awful to control, repetitive, and simply one of the worst experiences ever. But...it looked good, right?
Not sure if you're serious but bringing PC to a Wii news rumor is irrevelvant. You mean the real "Hardcore Gamers" who purchased a Wii and got burned by Nintendo for lack of hardcore titles. Mario and Zelda are casual. Metriod is hardcore.
I'm bringing up the PC, because my stance has been for the last two console gaming eras that 'PC and Nintendo are all you need.' Period. Full Stop. There is nothing on 360 or PS3 that holds any appeal to me that I can't get in some form or another on PC. There are however a ton of Nintendo games I want, so gotta get a Nintendo.
PC and Nintendo is where all the exciting game development happens, all the innovation and trend setting happens on both platforms. PS360 is where good and innovative ideas go get turned into 'pop-music'.
And just what the hell is 'Hardcore' anyway? So because a game is a sci-fi action game it's 'Hardcore'? 40 hour long puzzle platformers and action/adventure games can't be 'Hardcore'? Over what definition? Because I find more difficulty and clever puzzle design in 5 minutes of a Mario or Zelda game then I do all (less then 20) hours in games like GTA, Gears, Call of Duty, and Halo. And their regenerating health, quick time event, chest high wall, babby gaming.
@get Your a great troll because you keep getting me to respond.
If you had actually bothered to read my comment, you'd see where I said I own a high end gaming pc(custom built and recently upgraded) I can play literally every game at top settings with 8x anti-aliasing on. I also have a full 1080p(1920 x 1200) monitor. I recently downloaded the Complete Call Of Pripyat mod and can run it at full settings to give you an example.
You don't seem to realize that we're not saying the wii is better at 480i. We're saying that its the game/artistry that matters.
Everyone has made it clear that we own other consoles. And yes, at times the ps3 has produced true 1080p. Go over to digital foundry at eurogamer if you don't believe me. It's all about optimizing for the system/console your using.
Thanks for keeping me entertained with your repetitive(and slightly insane) comments. They read like stream of
consciousness writing by this point.
Some of the most orignal games of this generation went to the ps3/xbox 360.
Anways on topic Nintendo probably cannot afford and historically doesn't sell their console at a lost since they are only a video game company. I don't think Nintendo's new console will be much more powerful then the 2 HD consoles even with blu ray or it will have a high price point which hurt the PS3 launch. Media are sometimes pretty correct on information leaks on game hardware such as the PSP GO and NGP.
"Never have I seen anyone go to such great lengths to defend a product that *everyone else* acknowledges as outdated (ten years ago)."
What lengths? I enjoy a game. I should suddenly stop enjoying a game because a prettier game comes out, regardless of gameplay or any other factor?
What is sad is that you can't enjoy something because something "better" comes along. You are one of those sad people who probably is in debt up to your eyeballs to have all this equipment you keep bragging about (pics or it doesn't exist), just because you can't be satisfied with anything - just the notion something "better" is out there keeps you awake at night. (Clearly it does, as you have admitted you have been trying to go to bed for three hours but instead can't leave this thread alone.)
Well last I heard from many people that all you need is PC and PS3. Most exclusives on the Wii are rehashed games from previous generations and lack of new exciting ips that are not party games. Yes so clearly Kinect was not innovative at all or immersive games like Heavy Rain or Last Guardian is generic. What games on Wii won as much awards as Uncharted 2? Well IMO hardcore games are bought by gamers for the game not just due to brand name and most casuals would not even bother to buy it at a store.
"What games on Wii won as much awards as Uncharted 2?"
These are the things that confuse me.
There have been Wii games that have been so thoroughly lauded, and have outsold even the best selling PS3/XBOX games several times over. Bestselling PS3 game : 6.3m copies. Wii?
Mario Kart Wii (26.50 million)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii (21.28 million)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (9.48 million)
Super Mario Galaxy (8.84 million)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (6.15 million)
Sales aren't everything (hey Avatard proved that - one of the worst films ever made yet it's made more money than anything), but...when Wii has games that outsell the bestselling games of the other systems five times over...they obviously are doing SOMETHING right.
That's what made me comment in the first place. The person who wrote the original news byte above simply doesn't know what they are talking about. Nintendo "turning around their fortunes" when they have sold many times more games, and systems, making a lot more money (as they never took a loss on their system, unlike Sony who took a $250 loss on EACH console just to get them out the door).
Nintendo won, I think that's why some of these guys are so sensitive - that somehow, this little bitty console with "ancient" tech took over and outsold them ridiculously. And now they are REALLY scared, because Nintendo is about to up their game and not only have the best IP's and best gameplay, but graphics to compete in that arena as well.
In fact, I just got this whole epic conversation...they are terrified that next time Nintendo wins, as they did this time, that they won't be able to feel superior just because they think their pictures are prettier because next time, they won't be.
Why do you'll need to start insulting the hd consoles now. They have tons of great and unique games as well(don't make me quote a bunch of titles again)
While the CoD series is incredibly stale and repetitive to me, GTA 4 and God of War 3 weren't. They took several years on each game and made incredible products. The wii has the most shovel-ware of any of the consoles(not insulting it, remember I'm one of the defenders:)
Well night people, it was fun participating in this strange comment section. By the end 1080 had basically resorted to stream of consciousness writing.
Nintendo uses rehased games from the NES released in 1985. They have rarely created any new ips and seems many nintendo fans are content with that. At least Sony creates new ips that sell millions and does not solely require old ips to cater to hardcore fanbase.
I wasn't talking about sales and all the games you mention are just one ip which clearly shows Nintendo solely relies on old ips.
Portal 2 is going to be stunning. 1080 should be happy as the ps3 edition comes with a free pc copy!
Sony has some of the best developers out there. If you honestly think the ps3/360 have more bad/rehashed games then the wii, your mistaken. Remember, I love the wii but because its cheaper to make games for, the shovel-ware developers release more games on it. Gingerbread Man anyone?
Actually, and I'm not 100% on this, I think what's happening is Portal 2 is going to be the flagship title of the Steam launch on PSNetwork. That Steam client is tied to the regular Steam system, so when you register Portal 2 on PS3 Steam it will appear as an 'owned' title in your games library. Ready to be downloaded at your leisure through any of your Steam clients. At least that's my read on it.
Now Valve. There is a company that knows how to innovate and reinvent the entire game delivery industry.
Lol Sony in part sold their console at a lost to push Blu Ray to win the HD format war which you seem to be taken for granted. Sony could have won this generation but then Blu Ray format might not have won and this site would cease to exist. And now Nintendo might want to add blu ray to their next console which goes to show if Nintendo actually won then why would they use blu ray, something which Sony heavily backed up.
You tie your current steam account to your ps3 and whenever you get on your pc/mac it(the free copy) will be waiting for you. What has me the most excited is that the ps3 version actually has steam works. Meaning you get the full steam overlay in-game and everything(including cross platform coop)
I hope more titles will start to offer this.
"I wasn't talking about sales and all the games you mention are just one ip which clearly shows Nintendo solely relies on old ips. "
Again, just because the IP is "old" doesn't mean it's not still fun.
The best games are first party, just as on most Nintendo systems.
Still doesn't change the fact they have the best gameplay and are the smoothest playing games. They don't need "updates" to run games, because Nintendo doesn't release games until they are truly polished.
I've played a couple of dozen PS3/360 games, and most of them have been a mess when it comes to Gameplay. The developers are banking on impressing people with pretty visuals so they don't notice that the game itself sucks.
It doesn't matter how good the graphics are, there has to be something good to play on the system. My Wii was great at first but ended up collecting dust for over a year because I didn't have any good games to play on it.
People need to stop throwing around the "Hardcore Gamers" phrase all the time. True hardcore gamers died out long ago when Games went from being fun and substance to just graphics. I remember when we spent 60 dollars for a game and got a few weeks or months of challenge before the game was beaten and then you had good replay value. Now you are lucky to get an 8 hour game for the same price. NES, SNES, N64, Sega, PS1 I miss you all.
Good for Nintendo though. Maybe they can add the graphics to their quality games and increase their profits even more. Should make for an interesting console war between the big three.
I want to leave another comment here, but I know that there is a 100% chance that my opinion or even facts will be somehow manipulated by get1080. This discussion is over for me since this guy clearly thinks he's right about everything.
No one is saying 1080p doesnt matter! You keep twisting it to what you THINK we are saying. I am saying that it is NOT NECESSARY to make a great game! You are part of the small percentage of gamers that can actually afford to play on a high-end PC, while the other millions of gamers that make up the rest of the percentage are still buying, playing, and loving their upscaled graphics on consoles. Find a game that has come out on PC and consoles at the same time (with the exact same gameplay) that has sold more on PC than it did consoles.
Nintendo didn't win anything but a marketing campaign. The Wii is a door stop, a paper weight, but it has a gimmick that sells. People who say "they out sold everyone else" need to understand the larger picture. Their console sets and collects dust a few months after people buy it. Everyone I know that owns a Wii will back that statement up. It was a fad and it has now run it's course. There are about 5 worth while games out of the whopping 968 games released on Wii so far. Where as in contrast, people who own a PS3 and X360 get regular use out of it and it does not collect dust, They both have countless worthwhile titles. PS3 has 645 total and X360 has 798. Less game numbers, but better quality and mush more enjoyable games.
New Kids on the Block sold millions of records, they "outsold" the competition. But who in the gods name could actually say their music is quality and good? Not me. It was all marketing and advertisement that got those sales. Nintendo did the same thing with the Wii.
""Man, if next gen Nintendo went disc-free and provided all games via direct download.... I would die happy."
No...you'd die waiting for games to download for a few days, then you'd hit your monthly download limit and be sitting there until the following month waiting to download more games (which is precisely why Blu-Ray is even on the table for Nintendo).
"Now Valve. There is a company that knows how to innovate and reinvent the entire game delivery industry"
-is that a serious statement? Portal was "fun" for about fifteen minutes (as were Left 4 Dead and its sequel); what Valve has done is build a die-hard following (much like the Wii's fanboys) based almost purely on hype, while developing games that get old, again, after 15 minutes (and let's not forget that nearly *all* of their games are first-person shooters (so save that defense for another day)). Furthermore, Steam is garbage software that forces you to *permanently* tie a game disc (that you bought at any store) to an e-mail address, rendering the physical disc you bought to be un-resellable. If you admire these kinds of tactics, ... "
Oh look, your awful opinion about great video games continues with other great video games. How surprising.
Steam is the greatest thing ever developed, and it has never taken 'days' to Download even the newest and largest games. You don't know what you're talking about. Now, you're right about monthly Download limits (which I've never hit btw) which is why console based Direct Download isn't ready yet (also, there are many out there without internet at all.) But its coming, in the next 10-20 years.
Also, I never resell my games. Ever. So that's not even a concern. Being free from disc clutter, now that's a concern, that Steam has made all better.
...that the next Nintendo Controller will will feature dual analog sticks in addition to standard d-pad and trigger buttons. It'll mirror a Gamecube controller in general function but not in specific form. French website 01.net has published additional details, that say the touch capable screen on the controller is 6 inches in size. The new Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console, saying it's like a miniature television.
Nintendo, Changing the game once again.
EDIT: I do like that it'll be similar to the GCN controler. Because I find that controller to be elegant in design. The position of the main analog stick is a lot better then on the Dual Shock, which has a similar design and layout.
What I'm interested in telling you is that it doesn't matter if its only upscaled 720p @ 30 fps. Its not like Sony or Microsoft are going to be able to do better if that's where the technology is right now (too expensive for consoles I assume). What matters is game design, which apparently you see as irrelevant. Which is rather sad for a self styled 'hardcore gamer'.